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:Agree completely. I'm much more interested in his contributions to the [[Framing]]. I'd also like to hear more about his moral life (work on your virtues every day); his work on the post office, library, [[Franklin stove]], etc.; his diplomatic initiatives abroad. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] 12:09, 29 March 2007 (EDT)
:Agree completely. I'm much more interested in his contributions to the [[Framing]]. I'd also like to hear more about his moral life (work on your virtues every day); his work on the post office, library, [[Franklin stove]], etc.; his diplomatic initiatives abroad. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] 12:09, 29 March 2007 (EDT)
::Partly my fault. At one point, Andrew Schlafly was working some point--which he put on the main page--can't find it, main page being template based. I'll possibly caricature it as "liberals say the Founding Fathers were deists, but in fact none of them were" or something like that. I don't remember all the back-and-forth, but: Franklin was a deist; no, he wasn't because he promoted public prayer; yes, he was, because he said so in his autobiography; no, he wasn't, because all he said was that he had ''been'' a deist briefly in his flaming youth, and he retracted it later; yes, he was, because of what he said in his letter to Stiles (see article); no, he wasn't because those beliefs don't match the definition of deism (a God who created the world but took no further role); yes, he was, because there's more than one definition of "deism" and he credo actually matches pretty well with Lord Herbert's, etc.
::So the result was to inflate the part of the article dealing with his religious beliefs.
::I like the current paragraph--yours, I think--beginning with "He was called a Deist because..." If people can stick to that, the rest can be trimmed. Although I do think his "creed" is highly relevant, because it's in its own words and it speaks for itself.
::I think this is going to be an issue with all of the articles about the Founding Fathers. Last time I looked at [[George Washington]] it made what I suspect is an overly strong a case for his being a "Christian." Haven't researched it, so I could be wrong, and don't care much about it, but I thought Washington was sort of a "social churchgoer" who didn't say much about religion in his public role. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 12:35, 29 March 2007 (EDT)
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