::I think I'm finally seeing your point, Andy. I'm reminded of a quote from Lewis (paraphrased; I think it's from ''Miracles''): If we're trying to reason out whether the cat's sleeping in the cupboard, reason itself will tell us to go there and look rather than sit in our chair and reason. Similarly, I think you're saying that if we're trying to scientifically discover whether black holes are sitting somewhere in outer space, we should instead go look (yes, I know that's prohibitively expensive as well as dangerous...). Is this what you're saying: that science is useless for telling whether any type of thing actually exists; it simply describes how it behaves once the five senses have proved that it does exist? --[[User:EvanW|EvanW]] 23:15, 12 December 2009 (EST) | ::I think I'm finally seeing your point, Andy. I'm reminded of a quote from Lewis (paraphrased; I think it's from ''Miracles''): If we're trying to reason out whether the cat's sleeping in the cupboard, reason itself will tell us to go there and look rather than sit in our chair and reason. Similarly, I think you're saying that if we're trying to scientifically discover whether black holes are sitting somewhere in outer space, we should instead go look (yes, I know that's prohibitively expensive as well as dangerous...). Is this what you're saying: that science is useless for telling whether any type of thing actually exists; it simply describes how it behaves once the five senses have proved that it does exist? --[[User:EvanW|EvanW]] 23:15, 12 December 2009 (EST) |