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::: I see now. You just appeared to be deviating from the essay in the comments. I disagree with your point since (to use a crude analogy for now) it would be sort of like a judge giving out a pardon and the only catch is that people accept it. Would it then be illogical for the judge to say that all who did not accept the pardon should then recieve the punishment?--[[User:Matthew2208|Matthew2208]] 19:49, 17 December 2009 (EST)
 
::: I see now. You just appeared to be deviating from the essay in the comments. I disagree with your point since (to use a crude analogy for now) it would be sort of like a judge giving out a pardon and the only catch is that people accept it. Would it then be illogical for the judge to say that all who did not accept the pardon should then recieve the punishment?--[[User:Matthew2208|Matthew2208]] 19:49, 17 December 2009 (EST)
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:::: Well, yes it would. In a courtroom, if the judge decides to pardon the defendant, but the defendant doesn't accept it (whatever that might mean, perhaps he protests the decision and maintains that he doesn't deserve to go free), it doesn't make a difference. If the court pardons you, you're pardoned whether you like it or not. The courts aren't going to punish you just because you didn't agree with the decision. The second objection is that the judge isn't simply handing out pardons, he's taking the punishment on himself, which seems like an unnecessary step. [[User:Eoinc|Eoinc]] 19:58, 17 December 2009 (EST)
    
== problems witht the use of "Logic"  ==
 
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This essay seems to be disputing the truth of the premises rather than the logic of the argument of the bible --[[User:PThomson|PThomson]] 19:55, 17 December 2009 (EST)
 
This essay seems to be disputing the truth of the premises rather than the logic of the argument of the bible --[[User:PThomson|PThomson]] 19:55, 17 December 2009 (EST)
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: Yes, that's exactly what I'm doing. If you accept the many premises as true, then the Christian teaching (at least as I understand it) follows logically. However, the premises themselves are not immune to questioning. I agree that this is not true formal logic. As I mentioned in the opening paragraphs, I'm using "logical" in the more colloquial sense of reasonable, sensible or persuasive. [[User:Eoinc|Eoinc]] 19:58, 17 December 2009 (EST)
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