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::::::::''Justice'' seems to be an interesting test for your principle: though ''juries'' introduce a public element (I don't think that they are meant to be the ''best of the public''), it doesn't seem to be a good advice for a defendant to do without an expert counsel, i.e., a lawyer. [[User:FrankC|FrankC aka ComedyFan]] 16:45, 20 December 2009 (EST)

::::::::''Justice'' seems to be an interesting test for your principle: though ''juries'' introduce a public element (I don't think that they are meant to be the ''best of the public''), it doesn't seem to be a good advice for a defendant to do without an expert counsel, i.e., a lawyer. [[User:FrankC|FrankC aka ComedyFan]] 16:45, 20 December 2009 (EST)

:::::::::...but haven't you just answered your own question, Frank?  If expertise was the be-all and end-all of justice, then there would be no need for a jury; the matter would be entirely in the hands of the judge and the attorneys.  However, the Founding Fathers, while respecting the expertise of such individuals, ultimately chose to trust in the wisdom of the public to render a verdict.  Would you argue that their choice was unwise?  I think our system of justice has worked out pretty well, personally.  --[[User:Benp|Benp]] 17:19, 20 December 2009 (EST)

:::::::::...but haven't you just answered your own question, Frank?  If expertise was the be-all and end-all of justice, then there would be no need for a jury; the matter would be entirely in the hands of the judge and the attorneys.  However, the Founding Fathers, while respecting the expertise of such individuals, ultimately chose to trust in the wisdom of the public to render a verdict.  Would you argue that their choice was unwise?  I think our system of justice has worked out pretty well, personally.  In fact, I think you may have offered up one of the finest and clearest examples of the principle yet.  "Best of the public" is ''exactly'' what jury deliberation represents--the faith that a group drawn from the public, without any special credentials or qualifications, can, through deliberation and collaboration, achieve insight.  --[[User:Benp|Benp]] 17:27, 20 December 2009 (EST)

--[[User:Benp|Benp]] 17:19, 20 December 2009 (EST)

Just going back to the start of this section, "Galileo's ... own contributions were not substantial". You're joking, Andy, aren't you? Please tell me you're joking... [[User:JosephMac|JosephMac]] 17:25, 20 December 2009 (EST)

Just going back to the start of this section, "Galileo's ... own contributions were not substantial". You're joking, Andy, aren't you? Please tell me you're joking... [[User:JosephMac|JosephMac]] 17:25, 20 December 2009 (EST)