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Talk:Luke 17-24 (Translated) (view source)
Revision as of 18:22, December 23, 2009
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::::::We're open-minded about this particular verse and urge you to be open-minded also. The continuing discussion about this provision is not a reason for declining to participate in the thousands of other verses. Hope you can enjoy the benefits that Newton and many others have throughout history in participating in Bible translation.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 12:22, 23 December 2009 (EST)
::::::We're open-minded about this particular verse and urge you to be open-minded also. The continuing discussion about this provision is not a reason for declining to participate in the thousands of other verses. Hope you can enjoy the benefits that Newton and many others have throughout history in participating in Bible translation.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 12:22, 23 December 2009 (EST)
:::::::Every time I pick up my family's KVJ and contemplate what I'm reading through the perspective of my contemporary, 21st century life, I'm engaging what you describe as Bible translation, so I understand how that is helpful in one's life. To do so for anyone but myself places a special burden on myself, though, and that is to do my best to convey the meaning and lessons of the Bible free from my human failings and biases.
:::::::I've been impressed by the spirit of goodwill and cooperation among the participants in this project, but your last set of comments begs a question. You use the word "we" as if all of the editors on this project speak in a single, consistent voice regarding every issue of interpretation & translation, and obviously that's not the case. So using this passage from Luke as a perfect example, how are respectful disagreements in translation resolved so that a matter can be considered closed? Specifically, what is the burden of objective evidence required to determine that something should or shouldn't be attributed to Jesus? (the most significant editing one can make regarding the Bible IMHO) Who in this project makes the final decision as to what the "official" translation for a given passage is - a single person, a committee of trusted CP senior sysops, a vote by the pool of established editors with a proven track record of accurate and valuable translations on this project?
:::::::This would be an good policy to clarify, not only for my benefit but for future potential editors. In this specific case, I've presented a line of reasoning that tight correlation between the gospels is not a good test for inclusion since that would require many quotes to be removed across all four of them. I've also pointed out, as others have, that removing this statement would remove clear evidence of Jesus' actions fulfilling a specific Old Testament prophesy - how can we not require airtight, unambiguous proof that this was vandalism before deliberately diminishing Jesus' role in fulfilling prophesy? Saying that something "doesn't sound like what Jesus would say" or "sounds liberal" is too subjective to justify this.
:::::::I've been open-minded in offering constructive comments regarding this project rather than knee-jerk criticism, which would benefit nobody. Hopefully some good will come from this discussion. Thanks. --[[User:ChrisY|ChrisY]] 13:22, 23 December 2009 (EST)
== Earthly ==
== Earthly ==