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→‎Question about Methodology: As to whether Odysseus was a conservative, I can't say I know his position on pro-life and less government!
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:::::You strike me as a widely read individual, so surely you must have read the Odyssey. Benedict Arnold is a case of deceit from within, but not at all a trojan horse. If you look at the Odyssey itself Odysseus represents a conservative of the times, very cautious and shrewd, a faithful and cunning man, was his trojan horse a liberal deceit? The whole idea behind a trojan horse is using a gift to get past the defenses of your enemies. I think my version was more correct and more precise, in short more true. I think that if you think about it for a while you will find your self agreeing. --[[User:ThomasRidgefield|ThomasRidgefield]] 14:59, 12 January 2010 (EST)
 
:::::You strike me as a widely read individual, so surely you must have read the Odyssey. Benedict Arnold is a case of deceit from within, but not at all a trojan horse. If you look at the Odyssey itself Odysseus represents a conservative of the times, very cautious and shrewd, a faithful and cunning man, was his trojan horse a liberal deceit? The whole idea behind a trojan horse is using a gift to get past the defenses of your enemies. I think my version was more correct and more precise, in short more true. I think that if you think about it for a while you will find your self agreeing. --[[User:ThomasRidgefield|ThomasRidgefield]] 14:59, 12 January 2010 (EST)
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::::::I have an open mind about this, and welcome your insights.  In fact, all the regular contributors here have an open mind about these issues.  But as the [[deceit]] entry amply demonstrates, there is a high correlation between deceit and liberal tactics, and a very low correlation between deceit and conservative approaches.  Your edit obscured the correlation to liberal tactics, and removed the explanation that a Trojan horse is a tactic of subversion from within.  As to whether Odysseus was a conservative, I can't say I know his position on pro-life and less government!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 17:18, 12 January 2010 (EST)
    
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