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:::The reason I suggested "heresy" is that it fits the intent of these Pharisees better.  In Mark 14:61-64 that is the accusation that is used to condemn Jesus to death, and it improves the consistency of this translation to support that intent by the Pharisees.  The point about the attempt to trick Jesus over paying taxes to Caeser is a good one, but even that was essentially a trap based on a religious question, not one about government policy.  The final point is that while we criticize people today for saying and doing politically incorrect things, at worst these are social blunders with few legal consequences.  The Pharisees were trying to eliminate a threat, and mere embarrassment was not going to be enough to stop a man performing actual miracles before the masses.  It would take a serious criminal or heretical act to discredit Jesus, not a social gaffe.  --[[User:ChrisY|ChrisY]] 10:10, 27 January 2010 (EST)
 
:::The reason I suggested "heresy" is that it fits the intent of these Pharisees better.  In Mark 14:61-64 that is the accusation that is used to condemn Jesus to death, and it improves the consistency of this translation to support that intent by the Pharisees.  The point about the attempt to trick Jesus over paying taxes to Caeser is a good one, but even that was essentially a trap based on a religious question, not one about government policy.  The final point is that while we criticize people today for saying and doing politically incorrect things, at worst these are social blunders with few legal consequences.  The Pharisees were trying to eliminate a threat, and mere embarrassment was not going to be enough to stop a man performing actual miracles before the masses.  It would take a serious criminal or heretical act to discredit Jesus, not a social gaffe.  --[[User:ChrisY|ChrisY]] 10:10, 27 January 2010 (EST)
 
::::Nothing can discredit conservative principles, but that doesn't stop liberals from trying over every perceived gaffe a conservative makes. I don't see the Pharisees as being any different, but I have an open mind and you have made good points. [[User:JeffT|JeffT]] 10:21, 27 January 2010 (EST)
 
::::Nothing can discredit conservative principles, but that doesn't stop liberals from trying over every perceived gaffe a conservative makes. I don't see the Pharisees as being any different, but I have an open mind and you have made good points. [[User:JeffT|JeffT]] 10:21, 27 January 2010 (EST)
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:::::Thanks.  What you say about people maliciously using gaffes to discredit people is true.  Where the Bible is concerned, I'm just trying to stay "on message" with this project's focus on supporting the original intent of these passages.  --[[User:ChrisY|ChrisY]] 10:36, 27 January 2010 (EST)
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