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Talk:Essay:Best New Conservative Words (view source)
Revision as of 19:10, February 27, 2010
, 19:10, February 27, 2010→How are these words conservative?
::You've agreed that some words belong on the list, but quibbled about ... less than 1 or 2% of them. No one would expect unanimous agreement about the listing of every single example. But as to the examples you've disputed, if I did a search on Supreme Court opinions and found that conservative Justices used those words more often than liberal Justices do, then you would you concede that they belong on the list?--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 13:13, 27 February 2010 (EST)
::You've agreed that some words belong on the list, but quibbled about ... less than 1 or 2% of them. No one would expect unanimous agreement about the listing of every single example. But as to the examples you've disputed, if I did a search on Supreme Court opinions and found that conservative Justices used those words more often than liberal Justices do, then you would you concede that they belong on the list?--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 13:13, 27 February 2010 (EST)
:::Well, it depends on the manner in which the search is conducted and the sample examined, and it also depends on the results. Also, do Supreme Court Justices fairly reflect the trend of the whole population? ... anyway, if you proved that, say, 85-90% of conservatives use "biased", and only 10-15% of liberals do it, then I'd concede that they are conservative words. If 52% of conservatives use "biased" compared to 48% of liberals, I wouldn't.
:::I may be wrong, as I don't live in the US and I don't know how life is there, but in my mind, "myopic", "biased", "demagogue" or "incoherent" are generic words which can be used by either side to criticize the other. By the same standards, you could include "good" (definition: a word commonly used to describe conservative values and policies) and "bad" (a word commonly used by conservatives to describe liberal values and policies), but it wouldn't mean that they are "conservative words".
:::By the way, I only contested about 1% of the list because I only made an example and I did not go through it methodically. I would like more information about the following words, if any can provide it, accompanied by an explaination as to why they are considered "conservative words". Please note that I'm not yet contesting any of them, but merely requesting more information for now.
::: biased
::: conservation of charge (I only know it as a term describing a non-controversial scientific phenomenon. If it has a political nuance I ignore, let me know)
::: constant
::: correlate (by the way, "correlation" is listed by etymological dictionaries to date from 1561 AD)
::: counterexample
::: crackpot
::: cross-examination
::: decrypt
::: demagogue
::: despotism
::: double standard
::: editorialize
::: efficiency
::: hallmark
::: human rights
::: incoherent
::: individualism (just a quick note. I happen to know this because a part of my university thesis was about it. Individualism now is generally a positive word, but it was, if I remember correctly, first used by either Saint-Simonian or Fourierites - early socialists - and it had a negative connotation. I seem to remember that the word was born in France and then spread to the UK to the Owenites.)
::: myopic
::: optimism
::: ostensibly
::: productive
::: provocateur (if I remember correctly, it was a word used by work unions in the early 20th century to describe police or Pinkerton agents who infiltrated the labor force and committed something illegal, to give the police a pretext to intervene.)
::: self-defense
::: vandalism
::: veracity
::: volunteer
::: worldview
::: As regards the "Orwellian" words (newspeak, Big Brother, etc.) keep in mind that they are, yes, used to criticize Stalinism, but also that they were invented by Orwell, who was a democratic socialist.
:::Also, please note (this is unrelated to the rest of my post) that "wannabe" is usually spelt with only one "e", and "one-size-fits-all" is missing from the left column. --[[User:Maquissar|Maquissar]] 14:10, 27 February 2010 (EST)
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