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Recently, Dr. [[Stephen Meyer]] and Dr. [[Richard Sternberg]] debating Dr. Michael Shermer and Dr. Donald Prothero concerning [[intelligent design]]. The [[Discovery Institute]] declared concerning the debate:  

Recently, Dr. [[Stephen Meyer]] and Dr. [[Richard Sternberg]] debating Dr. Michael Shermer and Dr. Donald Prothero concerning [[intelligent design]]. The [[Discovery Institute]] declared concerning the debate:  

To call the debate a massacre would be a discredit to Sitting Bull. The only thing I can say is that Shermer needs to add a point to his booklet on how to debate "[[creationism|creationists]]" — namely, leave Donald Prothero at home in his van by the river...

{{cquote|To call the debate a massacre would be a discredit to Sitting Bull. The only thing I can say is that Shermer needs to add a point to his booklet on how to debate "[[creationism|creationists]]" — namely, leave Donald Prothero at home in his van by the river...

Some of the best points came later in the debate, when Sternberg slammed Prothero with factual put down after factual put down, citing the current literature time and again. His command of the subject matter — from population genetics to junk DNA — was so far and above beyond Shermer and Prothero's knowledge, so far above their pay grade, that it was almost painful to watch him school them point after point. As I said before, shortly you'll be able to watch the debate for yourself. But be warned, it isn't pretty.<ref>http://www.evolutionnews.org/2009/12/ouch_intelligent_design_guys_p.html<ref>]]

Some of the best points came later in the debate, when Sternberg slammed Prothero with factual put down after factual put down, citing the current literature time and again. His command of the subject matter — from population genetics to junk DNA — was so far and above beyond Shermer and Prothero's knowledge, so far above their pay grade, that it was almost painful to watch him school them point after point. As I said before, shortly you'll be able to watch the debate for yourself. But be warned, it isn't pretty.<ref>http://www.evolutionnews.org/2009/12/ouch_intelligent_design_guys_p.html<ref>]]