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Undo revision 787831 by DouglasA (Talk) Nothing disrespectful here, Doug...he's fairly new
::::Soooo, you seem to be applying modern understanding and modern idioms to ancient inscriptions, a rather common occurance. [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 15:55, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
::::Soooo, you seem to be applying modern understanding and modern idioms to ancient inscriptions, a rather common occurance. [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 15:55, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
:::::I'm not talking about dualities in Greek, the words are "opposite" when used in English, since "attraction" is basically the opposite of "repulsion", which confirms the original post (It (homophilia) is technichally and mechanically the opposite of "Homophobia."). I don't try to pretend to be able to discuss "ancient inscriptions", what I know is what the word is used for today, and why. In the media and the gay community, the word "homophilia" ''is'' used as a synonym for "homosexuality", although in a more pejorative sense, alluding to the word "paraphilia". That's what matters in this context.
:::::I'm not talking about dualities in Greek, the words are "opposite" when used in English, since "attraction" is basically the opposite of "repulsion", which confirms the original post (It (homophilia) is technichally and mechanically the opposite of "Homophobia."). I don't try to pretend to be able to discuss "ancient inscriptions", what I know is what the word is used for today, and why. In the media and the gay community, the word "homophilia" ''is'' used as a synonym for "homosexuality", although in a more pejorative sense, alluding to the word "paraphilia". That's what matters in this context.
The more proper suffix for -philia (used in with negative connotation) is -erasty; e.g., not pedophilia, but pederasty, utilizing the eros element for sexual love, instead of phil- an element for friendly love. ([[User:Thunkful|Thunkful]] 18:26, 16 June 2010 (EDT))
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:Thanks Foxtrot [[User:Daniel1212|Daniel1212]] 16:48, 24 February 2009 (EST)
:Thanks Foxtrot [[User:Daniel1212|Daniel1212]] 16:48, 24 February 2009 (EST)
::No problem! -[[User:Foxtrot|Foxtrot]] 06:24, 26 February 2009 (EST)
::No problem! -[[User:Foxtrot|Foxtrot]] 06:24, 26 February 2009 (EST)
==Homophobia - Etymology and definition==
I suggest the removal of the term "etymology" from this section. A better title would be "Homophobia - Morphology and definition."
:What makes homophobia a slur word is that the suffix "phobia" connotes a mental disorder, an irrational fear. The morpheme phob- means fear. But this morpheme is not merely historical in significance (etymology, diachronic linguistics). If in fact phobia were merely a matter of historical derivation, then this term would not have the polemical debater force that it has as a slur word. Instead of speaking of etymology, the issue is morphology and associated present semantics (synchronic linguistics). As a suffix, a phobia is a generative suffix in contemporary usage. When one adds -phobia to a word, immediately persons understand that an irrational fear of something is connoted. The force of this suffix has not faded in time to be merely a matter of the word's etymology. Etymological meaning is often faded (like dios in adios -- no present reference to God is felt or communicated in saying goodbye with "adios"). ([[User:Thunkful|Thunkful]] 17:44, 16 June 2010 (EDT))
::Clarification: At issue are the meanings of the morphemes in "homophobia." Historically, as to etymology, the word can be broken into the elements: hom- = same, -o- = connecting vowel for words of Greek derivation, phob- = fear, -ia = process, state, condition. However, in terms of synchronic meaning, homo- = homosexual, phobia = irrational fear of, a type of mental disorder. By way of comparison the word "understand" has the etymological elements under = under and stand = stand. But by no stretch of the imagination does understand mean to "stand under." In terms of synchronic linguistics, explanations about the etymological meanings of "stand" and "under" are irrelevant to synchronic meaning. Synchronically "understand" has but one morpheme (element that has meaning). I hope this clarifies why I think that this section should be called "Morphology and definition." It is the present meaning which is much more significant that the etymology. Alternatively, somehow the section could be revised to indicate that the meaning of -phobia is irrational fear, as a type of mental disorder and that the etymology is not faded in meaning so as to render it irrelevant semantically. ([[User:Thunkful|Thunkful]] 18:14, 16 June 2010 (EDT))
:::Specific Recommendation: Replace this sentence:
::::"Homophobia is an etymologically incorrect term which most directly denotes 'an unreasoning fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals and homosexuality', with
:::::"The term homophobia is being used in a morphologically incorrect manner as denoting . . . ." ([[User:Thunkful|Thunkful]] 18:34, 16 June 2010 (EDT))
==The Definition of Homophobia==
Does homophobia refer to fear of offending homosexuals?
:One realizes that it is description, rather than prescription primarily at issue. In defining a word it is more scientific to merely observe how the word is used and report on it instead of saying "how it should be used" or "how it must be used." Of course part of the description is observing the emotive connotations and the polemical aspect, if there is one. Nonetheless, persons who have agendas may start using and declaring what a word means in hopes that their usage will spread to the point that lexicographers will write the definition their way. Research would be needed to establish that the word "homophobia" is more properly defined as fear of offending homosexuals and suffering a counter attack from them. ([[User:Thunkful|Thunkful]] 17:53, 16 June 2010 (EDT))
Suggested Revision of first sentence: Instead of:
:"The term homophobia, as applied to criticism of homosexuality, implies that all such criticism is irrational (see phobia)," substitute:
::The term homophobia, as applied to criticism or opposition to homosexuality, implies that all such criticism and opposition is based on an irrational fear and is a type of mental disorder[1] (see phobia)." The footnote would be a reference to 3 sections of the DSM-IV-TR. ([[User:Thunkful|Thunkful]] 18:40, 16 June 2010 (EDT))
==Mechanics, Grammar==
The writer has written:
;". . . often take offense at this term, which had led to the use . . . "
Did he mean to put "has," instead of "had"?([[User:Thunkful|Thunkful]] 19:26, 16 June 2010 (EDT))
==Missing Footnote==
Has the footnote for the following paragraph gotten lost somehow?
::A study by University of Arkansas researchers . . . ." ([[User:Thunkful|Thunkful]] 19:23, 16 June 2010 (EDT))