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::That's rather daring, Tisane....perhaps no one at WP will see this and seek retribution! --<big>[[User:TK|'''ṬK''']]</big>_/Admin^{[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]]} 17:22, 14 July 2010 (EDT)

::That's rather daring, Tisane....perhaps no one at WP will see this and seek retribution! --<big>[[User:TK|'''ṬK''']]</big>_/Admin^{[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]]} 17:22, 14 July 2010 (EDT)

Be everyone being equal, I meant that everyone is ''born'' equal. However, that equality can (and often does) change, through social and economic conditions, and, more importantly, personal initiative. If a woman (or a man, for that matter) doesn't take the effort to become a scientist, that is entirely their fault. However, that doesn't change the fact that recently women have taken a larger role in the scientific field.--[[User:Jaddriscoll|Jaddriscoll]]

By everyone being equal, I meant that everyone is ''born'' equal. However, that equality can (and often does) change, through social and economic conditions, and, more importantly, personal initiative. If a woman (or a man, for that matter) doesn't take the effort to become a scientist, that is entirely their fault. However, that doesn't change the fact that recently women have taken a larger role in the scientific field.--[[User:Jaddriscoll|Jaddriscoll]]

:In what way are they born equal? Certainly not equal in abilities and other traits. People are not even born with equal opportunity in all respects, because some people indisputably start out with greater advantages that others. Which is not to say that disadvantages can't sometimes be overcome or that advantages can't be squandered. But, for instance, that there may be a link between [[race and intelligence]], which might require people of a certain race to generally need to work a bit harder to overcome the disadvantage caused by lower intelligence. Or, someone who happens to be less attractive may be at a disadvantage in becoming a model. Likewise, gender could result in some difficulties in accomplishing certain work; e.g., females may have trouble working in certain trades that require lifting extremely heavy objects. [[User:Tisane|Tisane]] 19:19, 14 July 2010 (EDT)

:In what way are they born equal? Certainly not equal in abilities and other traits. People are not even born with equal opportunity in all respects, because some people indisputably start out with greater advantages that others. Which is not to say that disadvantages can't sometimes be overcome or that advantages can't be squandered. But, for instance, that there may be a link between [[race and intelligence]], which might require people of a certain race to generally need to work a bit harder to overcome the disadvantage caused by lower intelligence. Or, someone who happens to be less attractive may be at a disadvantage in becoming a model. Likewise, gender could result in some difficulties in accomplishing certain work; e.g., females may have trouble working in certain trades that require lifting extremely heavy objects. [[User:Tisane|Tisane]] 19:19, 14 July 2010 (EDT)

::This is great! An actual discussion, with each of us contributing different ideas, and all of us actually '''listening''' to each other instead of talking past each other to score ideological points. Are we ready to collaborate on an article (or article series) exploring these themes in encyclopedic detail? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] ^{[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]} 12:07, 15 July 2010 (EDT)

::This is great! An actual discussion, with each of us contributing different ideas, and all of us actually '''listening''' to each other instead of talking past each other to score ideological points. Are we ready to collaborate on an article (or article series) exploring these themes in encyclopedic detail? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] ^{[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]} 12:07, 15 July 2010 (EDT)