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Debate: Why have conservatives let themselves get a bad name? (view source)
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:: And most importantly, biases of left-wing media outlets such as CNN and the once-libertarian-leaning MSNBC must be effectively challenged and exposed by Fox News and talk radio. The left criticizes us for "entertainment news" and reliance on personalities with opinions, but unlike the left' supposed lack of bias we admit it's "opinion". Blogs can help as well in getting the public to realize that there is no "objective news" and each side has an agenda. -[[User:Danq|danq]] 19:10, 19 September 2009 (EDT)
:: And most importantly, biases of left-wing media outlets such as CNN and the once-libertarian-leaning MSNBC must be effectively challenged and exposed by Fox News and talk radio. The left criticizes us for "entertainment news" and reliance on personalities with opinions, but unlike the left' supposed lack of bias we admit it's "opinion". Blogs can help as well in getting the public to realize that there is no "objective news" and each side has an agenda. -[[User:Danq|danq]] 19:10, 19 September 2009 (EDT)
:: Hippocracy. Plain and simple. Conservatives preach and preach but do not hold themselves to the same standards as they try to hold others to. Also, (as on this site) conservatives will use blatantly illogical arguments to attempt to 'prove' their points. Once an intelligent person realizes that these methods are completely ridiculous, conservatives lose credibility. i.e. the one point that I have seen come up time and time again on this site is claiming that somehow a series of arguments have a statistical chance of being 'true' just due to their number. When you try to convince someone that evolution is false by stating that "If any of the counterexamples listed below is correct, then the theory of evolution fails. Moreover, if there is merely a 5% chance that each of these counterexamples is correct (and the odds are far higher than that), then the odds that these counterexamples are all incorrect and that evolution is true becomes very small (only a 4.6% chance that evolution is true with 60 possible counterexamples)." Now, the fact of the matter is that this "5%" chance of being correct is just not true. Merely listing possibilities does not grant any of them a chance of being true. Conversely, that statement of evolution only having a 4.6% chance of being correct is totally made up. You cannot expect people to take conservatives seriously if you are going to use that kind of nonsense logic. I can list 1,000 counterexamples and still have ZERO chance that any of them are true. This illogical argument is used many times, and its still as false in its reasoning as the first time used.
So to sum up, until conservatives begin a)using SOUND LOGIC and FACTS for their arguments rather than this circular "my proof is a link to my own website where i made up all the facts and figures im quoting" b)entertaining the possibility that, yes...everybody is wrong sometimes. Some dearly held conservative beliefs are going to be wrong. Sorry. The sooner that you realize that the "real truth" is probably a blend of your beliefs and the beliefs of your opponents, the better we'll all be. The world is not black and white... and c)The Bible cannot be used as factual evidence. Sorry guys, you cannot admit faith is a major component of the Bible/Christianity and then try to use the Bible as a source of fact. Factual proof does not go hand in hand with Faith. Cant have it both ways.
--Lono