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Speaking of the work that needs to be done, can we get an etymology section? Well, perhaps that's the wrong term, perhaps something explaining the use of the word apologetics/apologist. Was that term derived from Greek "apologia"? Did that word (apologia) have broader meaning than simply expressing fault, and did apologetics derive its name from that broader meaning? Or is it, quite possibly, used in the same context as the modern definition? I can't find ANYTHING (and I have looked), so I'm thinking this should be included somewhere. The name, to the average...idiot...would seem to provide them with all the leverage in the world to say something like "See!? They're apologizing for lying about Jesus." I know this because I have a "friend" who said this, and have heard similar anecdotes from others. Seriously.  {{unsigned|LinusWilson}} July 2008

Speaking of the work that needs to be done, can we get an etymology section? Well, perhaps that's the wrong term, perhaps something explaining the use of the word apologetics/apologist. Was that term derived from Greek "apologia"? Did that word (apologia) have broader meaning than simply expressing fault, and did apologetics derive its name from that broader meaning? Or is it, quite possibly, used in the same context as the modern definition? I can't find ANYTHING (and I have looked), so I'm thinking this should be included somewhere. The name, to the average...idiot...would seem to provide them with all the leverage in the world to say something like "See!? They're apologizing for lying about Jesus." I know this because I have a "friend" who said this, and have heard similar anecdotes from others. Seriously.  {{unsigned|LinusWilson}} July 2008

I think this article needs a lot of work to. not only are there so few arguments, there are some flaws in the ones already made. For example, in the telelogical argument, an atheist could argue that the watch has evolved throughout time, not by means of sexual reproduction, but my clockmakers making a time-telling device, and bringing more favorable traits to the next time-telling device they create. First there were sundials, then clocks which relied on weights, then wall clocks, and finally moving onto a pocketwatch. There has been a lot of work put forth into the evolution of a pocketwatch. In the cosmological argument, you give no reason as to WHY nothing could have been there for an eternity. You just state it. Work needs to be done there. Also, in the arguement for morality, you state that all humans are given common morals. I don't really get that. Some tribes in indonesia are cannibals. Many people around the world rape other human beings. Still others kill, torture, and fornicate. I don't see a common set of morals. What are they? State them in the article. Alot of work needs to be put into this article. There are still many flaws in the arguments. I'm not trying to christian-bash, im just trying to make sure you know where atheists would attack this article. This page should really be flaw free if it's here to convince! {{unsigned|ItsAFineDay}} August 2010

I think this article needs a lot of work to. not only are there so few arguments, there are some flaws in the ones already made. For example, in the telelogical argument, an atheist could argue that the watch has evolved throughout time, not by means of sexual reproduction, but my clockmakers making a time-telling device, and bringing more favorable traits to the next time-telling device they create. First there were sundials, then clocks which relied on weights, then wall clocks, and finally moving onto a pocketwatch. There has been a lot of work put forth into the evolution of a pocketwatch. In the cosmological argument, you give no reason as to WHY nothing could have been there for an eternity. You just state it. Work needs to be done there. Also, in the arguement for morality, you state that all humans are given common morals. I don't really get that. Some tribes in indonesia are cannibals. Many people around the world rape other human beings. Still others kill, torture, and fornicate. I don't see a common set of morals. What are they? State them in the article. Alot of work needs to be put into this article. There are still many flaws in the arguments. I'm not trying to christian-bash, im just trying to make sure you know where atheists would attack this article. This page should really be flaw free if it's here to convince! {{unsigned|Itsafineday}} August 2010