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::::So...no contradiction in Matthew saying Jacob is the father of Joseph and Luke saying that Heli is the father of Joseph? Those can both be true? [[User:Pete5383|Paul]] 18:58, 18 August 2010 (EDT)
 
::::So...no contradiction in Matthew saying Jacob is the father of Joseph and Luke saying that Heli is the father of Joseph? Those can both be true? [[User:Pete5383|Paul]] 18:58, 18 August 2010 (EDT)
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:::::Are you insisting that one man cannot possibly have two different names? [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 19:07, 18 August 2010 (EDT)
    
*that we have a non-existant prophecy in verse 23 (as seen above). Of course, Isaiah was speaking of events of his time, not of the future, as evidenced in Isaiah 9:6 with the use of, “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given…” Not withstanding, the verse presented is transcribed incorrectly anayway. It was translated from the Greek text, and there the word “parthenos” is used, which does mean a virgin. However, the word in the original Hebrew, from which the Greek was taken, did not mean “virgin.” The word there is “almah,” which means simply a young woman. In the later Greek translation, the error was corrected, the proper Greek equivalent “neanis” being substituted. But it suited the purpose of the Church to leave in its “virgin” Greek, and so it has come down to us.
 
*that we have a non-existant prophecy in verse 23 (as seen above). Of course, Isaiah was speaking of events of his time, not of the future, as evidenced in Isaiah 9:6 with the use of, “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given…” Not withstanding, the verse presented is transcribed incorrectly anayway. It was translated from the Greek text, and there the word “parthenos” is used, which does mean a virgin. However, the word in the original Hebrew, from which the Greek was taken, did not mean “virgin.” The word there is “almah,” which means simply a young woman. In the later Greek translation, the error was corrected, the proper Greek equivalent “neanis” being substituted. But it suited the purpose of the Church to leave in its “virgin” Greek, and so it has come down to us.
    
:This has been long debated but not resolved on one side as you suggest.  Feel free to discuss further here.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 16:08, 14 August 2010 (EDT)
 
:This has been long debated but not resolved on one side as you suggest.  Feel free to discuss further here.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 16:08, 14 August 2010 (EDT)
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