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That's like saying everyone in the southern US still hates blacks.

That's like saying everyone in the southern US still hates blacks.

that is so stupid to say that most europeans still hate jews. in most european countries there was hardly any anti-semitism, and only really ignorant people are anti-semitic or are willing to group a whole continent as anti-semetic.

That is so stupid to say that most Europeans still hate Jews. In most European countries there is hardly any anti-Semitism, and only really ignorant people are anti-Semitic or are willing to group a whole continent as anti-Semetic.

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::the segragation of Jews in Germany was nothing like the segragation of blacks.  I am not aware of any death camps in Alabama. The holocaust did start before Americas entry.  if the americans reasons werent noble, what were they?[[User:Bohdan|Bohdan]]

::the segragation of Jews in Germany was nothing like the segragation of blacks.  I am not aware of any death camps in Alabama. The Holocaust did start before America's entry.  If the Americans reasons werent noble, what were they?[[User:Bohdan|Bohdan]]

And its true that many Europeans do still have negative opinions of Jews.  According to Abe Foxman of the ADL 21% of europeans consider themselves anti-semitic! thats one-fifth of the population.  40% of Europeans believe Jews have "too much power in financial markets" everyone knows thats the most basic anti-semitic claim.  If one-fifth of our beloved continent openly admits anti-semitism, we have a problem.[[User:Bohdan|Bohdan]]

And its true that many Europeans do still have negative opinions of Jews.  According to Abe Foxman of the ADL 21% of europeans consider themselves anti-semitic! thats one-fifth of the population.  40% of Europeans believe Jews have "too much power in financial markets" everyone knows that's the most basic anti-semitic claim.  If one-fifth of our beloved continent openly admits anti-semitism, we have a problem.[[User:Bohdan|Bohdan]]

I live in Europe, and yes, there is some anti-semitism (like there is everywhere on the planet), but not 20% of the population.

I live in Europe, and yes, there is some anti-semitism (like there is everywhere on the planet), but not 20% of the population.

No, really, the "final solution" (including the death camps) was set in motion after the Swannsee conference in 1942, partly because the Nazis felt that they wouldn't have the time and resources to ship the Jews to Madagascar (the original plan) now that the US had entered the war.

No, really, the "final solution" (including the death camps) was set in motion after the Swannsee conference in 1942, partly because the Nazis felt that they wouldn't have the time and resources to ship the Jews to Madagascar (the original plan) now that the US had entered the war.

There were earlier death camps for political opponents and there was a "euthanasia" policy against the handicapped, but those were not the reasons the US entered the war, the possibility of losing trade partners and allies Great Britain and Australia combined with the attack on Pearl Harbour and pressure from American Jews were.

There were earlier death camps for political opponents and there was a "euthanasia" policy against the handicapped, but those were not the reasons the US entered the war, the possibility of losing trade partners and allies Great Britain and Australia combined with the attack on Pearl Harbor and pressure from America's Jews.

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::Those sound like pretty good reasons for war to me.  I too live in Europe and even I think that these statistics are high, but the ADL stands by them.[[User:Bohdan|Bohdan]]

::Those sound like pretty good reasons for war to me.  I too live in Europe and even I think that these statistics are high, but the ADL stands by them.[[User:Bohdan|Bohdan]]

They are reasons for war, but they do not show the allies were morally superior to the axis (before the Holocaust took place), especially if you count the Soviets with the allies.

They are reasons for war, but they do not show the Allies were morally superior to the Axis (before the Holocaust took place), especially if you count the Soviets with the allies.

Let's face it: there's never been a pure "Good vs Evil" war.

Let's face it: there's never been a pure "Good vs Evil" war.

:::were the Soviets really with the Allies?[[Molotov-Ribbentrop pact]]  Before the holocaust took place(as you say) the Nazis did many very bad things(large scale anti-semitism among others).  The allies were definately morally superior. [[User:Bohdan|Bohdan]]

:::were the Soviets really with the Allies?[[Molotov-Ribbentrop pact]]  Before the Holocaust took place(as you say) the Nazis did many very bad things(large scale anti-semitism among others).  The Allies were definately morally superior. [[User:Bohdan|Bohdan]]

That pact didn't last until 1941, the Nazis fought the Soviets along the eastern front (20 million Soviet and 3 million Germans died on that front), and the Soviets had entered an official alliance with the western allies.

That pact lasted until 1941, the Nazis fought the Soviets along the eastern front (20 million Soviet and 3 million Germans died on that front), and the Soviets had entered an official alliance with the western allies.

I'm not saying the Nazis were good (their policies were cruel and racist), I'm just saying we don't like to remember the racism and segregation in the US and Australia (isn't racism towards blacks, hispanics, asians and aboriginals just as bad as anti-semitism?), the imprisonment of Japanese-Americans, the Soviet reprisals against civilians, the Soviet deportations, etc...

I'm not saying the Nazis were good (their policies were cruel and racist), I'm just saying we don't like to remember the racism and segregation in the US and Australia (isn't racism towards blacks, hispanics, asians and aboriginals just as bad as anti-semitism?), the imprisonment of Japanese-Americans, the Soviet reprisals against civilians, the Soviet deportations, etc...

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::this brigs up interesting debate about USSR.  nothing the US or austalia did compares to the actions of Nazis.  obviously the Soviets were bad, I personally think they were worse than the nazis.[[User:Bohdan|Bohdan]]

::this brigs up interesting debate about USSR.  nothing the US or Austalia did compares to the actions of Nazis.  obviously the Soviets were bad, I personally think they were worse than the Nazis.[[User:Bohdan|Bohdan]]

In Australia aboriginal kids were put in "re-education camps" and beaten if they spoke their own language, same thing happened to Indians in Canada and hispanics in the US, the US also officially endorsed segregation (also the official policy of Nazi Germany before the Holocaust), natives in the British and French colonies did not have the same rights as Europeans, the allies knew about the atrocities Stalin was committing, but denied it in public, carpet bombing of cities, nuking of 2 cities, that kind of thing...

In Australia, aboriginal kids were put in "re-education camps" and beaten if they spoke their own language, same thing happened to Indians in Canada and Hispanics in the U.S. The U.S. also officially endorsed segregation (also the official policy of Nazi Germany before the Holocaust), natives in the British and French colonies did not have the same rights as Europeans, the allies knew about the atrocities Stalin was committing, but denied it in public, carpet bombing of cities, nuking of 2 cities, that kind of thing...

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