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::''While our hours each comprise a uniform sixty minutes of sixty seconds each, and each hour is definitely separated from the succeeding by the fugitive moment at which it strikes, the lack of division inside the Roman hour meant that each of them stretched over the whole interval of time between the preceding hour and the hour which followed; and this hour interval instead of being of fixed duration was perpetually elastic, now longer, now shorter, from one end of the year to the other, and on any given day the duration of the day hours was opposed to the length of the night hours. ''

::''While our hours each comprise a uniform sixty minutes of sixty seconds each, and each hour is definitely separated from the succeeding by the fugitive moment at which it strikes, the lack of division inside the Roman hour meant that each of them stretched over the whole interval of time between the preceding hour and the hour which followed; and this hour interval instead of being of fixed duration was perpetually elastic, now longer, now shorter, from one end of the year to the other, and on any given day the duration of the day hours was opposed to the length of the night hours. ''

2. Even the measurement up to an hour was often controversial. Again Jérome Carcôpino:

2. Even the measurement up to an hour was often controversial. Again Jérome Carcôpino:

::''If anyone asked the time, he was certain to receive several different answers at once for, as Seneca asserts, it was impossible at Rome to be sure of the exact hour; and it was easier to get the philosophers to agree among themselves than the clocks: "horam non possum certam tibi dicere: facilius inter philosophos guam inter horologia convenit"  Time at Rome was never more than approximate. Time was perpetually fluid or, if the expression is preferred, contradictory. '' ([[Seneca]] was a coeval of Jesus Christ, so his observations are quite relevant!

::''If anyone asked the time, he was certain to receive several different answers at once for, as Seneca asserts, it was impossible at Rome to be sure of the exact hour; and it was easier to get the philosophers to agree among themselves than the clocks: "horam non possum certam tibi dicere: facilius inter philosophos guam inter horologia convenit"  Time at Rome was never more than approximate. Time was perpetually fluid or, if the expression is preferred, contradictory. '' :::([[Seneca]] was a coeval of Jesus Christ, so his observations are quite relevant!

So, saying that the two events happened ''at the same moment'' rather than ''within the same hour'' introduces a precision into the translation which isn't there in the original - it's more than just ''subtly changing the meaning of the verse''.

So, saying that the two events happened ''at the same moment'' rather than ''within the same hour'' introduces a precision into the translation which isn't there in the original - it's more than just ''subtly changing the meaning of the verse''.

::Right.  The entire point of the account is that it happened at the same moment, as in the tearing of the veil upon Jesus's passing, as described in Matthew.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 12:16, 30 March 2011 (EDT)

::Right.  The entire point of the account is that it happened at the same moment, as in the tearing of the veil upon Jesus's passing, as described in Matthew.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 12:16, 30 March 2011 (EDT)