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Talk:Matthew 20-28 (Translated) (view source)
Revision as of 14:28, April 16, 2011
, 14:28, April 16, 2011→ἰδού: @Aschlafly *lol*
:*ἰδού "at that moment"
:*ἰδού "at that moment"
: and nearly 20,000 items were found. I've added a cite to the content entry here.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 01:14, 16 April 2011 (EDT)
: and nearly 20,000 items were found. I've added a cite to the content entry here.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 01:14, 16 April 2011 (EDT)
::A google search! Well, for a moment a will join your light-hearted approach:
::*''ἰδού'' and '''''yesterday''''' results in '''77,000''' hits
::*''ἰδού'' and '''''wow''''': '''100,000''' hits
::*''ἰδού'' and '''''later''''': '''200,000''' hits
::As ''wow'' is a demonstrative particle, often stressing what follows, it wouldn't be quite a bad translation! But we both know that such searches are meaningless.
::And please keep in mind that this translation is meant to be a serious project: not everybody will appreciate your attempt of humor. So, back to the real problem: it goes without saying that I expected you to present something like article on the nuances of ''ἰδού'', published in one of the many journals like ''[http://www.sil.org/siljot/index.asp?series=932 Journal of Translation]''. Or a excerpt of a textbook, or a renowned Biblical commentary. Please, could you do so?
::As for the cite you added to the verse: I'm afraid it doesn't show what you expect it to demonstrate. Indeed, ἰδού appears in the original verse and ''at that moment'' appears in the translations of the e.g., [[New International Version]] and the [[New Living Translation]]. But this doesn't imply that ''at that moment'' is the translation of ''ἰδού''! I have stated earlier ([[User_talk:Aschlafly#Matthew_and_John]] - btw, it's in one of the four questions I'd like you to answer):
:::The ''New International Version'' starts the verse with ''At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn..'', but this ''at that moment'' seems to be a translation of the leading καὶ (in fact of the string of καὶ-καὶ-καὶ), while ἰδού is dropped from the sentence altogether - as you observed rightly in [[Bible Translation Issues]].
::The new international version seems to follow the same principles as the NET Bible project, which states:
:::Introductory particles like ἰδού (“behold”) have been translated to fit the context (sometimes “listen,” “pay attention,” “look,” or occasionally left untranslated).
::It seems to me that you are one of the first to translate ἰδού as ''at that/this moment''. And such a novel translation obviously needs an elaborate justification, especially when it is used further on with far-reaching consequences (see [[Counterexamples to Relativity]]).
::[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 10:28, 16 April 2011 (EDT)