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Talk:Theory of evolution/Archive 23 (view source)
Revision as of 03:01, April 30, 2011
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:Perhaps there is another way for you to contribute on this subject, but apart from this article. Try articles on natural selection, genetics, various plants and animals, geology, and so on, in which you can explain what main stream science says about them, as well as providing evidence refuting it. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 15:31, 10 February 2011 (EST)
:Perhaps there is another way for you to contribute on this subject, but apart from this article. Try articles on natural selection, genetics, various plants and animals, geology, and so on, in which you can explain what main stream science says about them, as well as providing evidence refuting it. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 15:31, 10 February 2011 (EST)
::::[[Essay: As always, there is more work to be done|Evolutionist excusitis]] always happens when evidence is asked for. Please get a real worldview like biblical Christianity which [[Christian apologetics|has plenty of evidence to support it]] and not one you always have to make excuses for. As far as the history of racism in Europe, was racism solely the result of the Spanish Caste System or were there events contributing after? It seems to me as though you are offering a rather simplistic and inadequate commentary here. I would suggest reading material on [[Nazism]] and then contributing to that article. By the way, are you an atheist? If so, please provide proof and evidence that atheism is correct. Generally speaking, atheists such as as [[Richard Dawkins]], are rather weak when it comes to [[historiography]] as can be seen [[Richard Dawkins, atheist atrocities, and historical revisionism|HERE]]. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 16:39, 10 February 2011 (EST)
::::[[Essay: As always, there is more work to be done|Evolutionist excusitis]] always happens when evidence is asked for. Please get a real worldview like biblical Christianity which [[Christian apologetics|has plenty of evidence to support it]] and not one you always have to make excuses for. As far as the history of racism in Europe, was racism solely the result of the Spanish Caste System or were there events contributing after? It seems to me as though you are offering a rather simplistic and inadequate commentary here. I would suggest reading material on [[Nazism]] and then contributing to that article. By the way, are you an atheist? If so, please provide proof and evidence that atheism is correct. Generally speaking, atheists such as as [[Richard Dawkins]], are rather weak when it comes to [[historiography]] as can be seen [[Richard Dawkins, atheist atrocities, and historical revisionism|HERE]]. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 16:39, 10 February 2011 (EST)
== Theory? ==
Evolution is most certainly a fact. --[[User:TheSensei|TheSensei]] 21:51, 22 February 2011 (EST)
:This is what's called an argument by assertion. --[[User:AlaskanEconomy|AlaskanEconomy]] 21:53, 22 February 2011 (EST)
:A "fact" ... just like the "fact" of [[global warming]]? Sorry, declaring something a fact does not make it so.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 22:04, 22 February 2011 (EST)
== "Through natural processes alone" vs. "Darwinism" ==
In the article's third paragraph, I noticed an incorrect assertion based on the results of a poll. The article states that "60% of American medical doctors reject Darwinism, stating that they do not believe man evolved through natural processes alone." Just because someone believes that man did not evolve 100% naturally (evolution), doesn't mean that they believe evolution was 100% supernatural. It is possible that they could believe in both Darwinism and intelligent design. [[User:JimAB|JimAB]] 21:40, 4 April 2011 (EDT)
:Darwinism is taught and believed without any "supernatural" intervention. Also, Darwinism directly conflicts with basic [[Christian]] principles, such as [[Jesus]] redeeming the original sin of [[Adam]].--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 00:56, 5 April 2011 (EDT)
:As Mr. Schlafly said, most believers in Darwinism don't believe in intelligent design; most believers in Darwinism are atheists. Also, ''doesn't mean they believe evolution was 100% supernatural'' implies that they all believe in evolution in the first place. Do you deny that there are medical doctors that don't believe in evolution at all? [[User:DMorris|DMorris]] 09:39, 5 April 2011 (EDT)
== Poor health practices of some notable evolutionists ==
I think its unfortunate that despite the generally good quality of the rest of the article, the concluding section reads like it was written by a grade school student. The entire world (with the exclusion of the middle east) consumes alcohol in some form or another, simply drinking beer in a pub is not a sign of poor health. In addition, up to 50% of the U.S. can be considered overweight or obese, since the apparent prevalence of atheism (not self-described, but defined as without belief in a god or life spirit) in the U.S. is on the order of 10%, there are far more obese and overweight theists than atheists. This section as it stands right now reads like an indictment of PZMyers and should be moved to the PZMyers page. In any case, attacking the validity of the theory based on the health of the proponent is a clear ad hominem and should at the very least be revised, since it has no place in an otherwise serious and even-handed article on the theory of evolution. [[User:DenisTR|DenisTR]] 22:25, 13 April 2011 (EDT)
:::DenisTR, thank you for indicating that the vast bulk of the article was fair-minded. Secondly, nowhere does the article indicate that because PZ Myers has not done his best to act in accordance with the best information that medical science has made widely available, therefore evolution is false. Lastly, I am guessing you are not a big fan of the introductory picture for [[atheism|Conservapedia's atheism article]]. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 23:42, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
[[File:Baron2.jpg|thumb|alt=atheism|right|225px|[[Paul-Henri Thiry]], Baron d'Holbach (1723 - 1789) was an early advocate of [[atheism]] in [[Europe]].]]
::::DenisTR, thanks for your input. I just added the following material to the Conservapedia evolution article: "In August 2009, PZ Myers led a group of over 300 atheist and agnostic students on a tour of the [[Creation Museum]].[http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=8280168] During the visit, Myers had noticeably greater difficulty than others climbing on and off a dinosaur model due to the fact that he was overweight and out of shape.[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQQl2TMrgbM VIDEO]" [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 10:24, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
:::::::DenisTR, by the way, the above material concerning PZ Myers and the Creation Museum has now also been added to the [[Atheism]], [[Atheism and obesity]] and the [[Atheism and Mental and Physical Health]] article. Once again, thank you for your input. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 14:17, 18 April 2011 (EDT)