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Debate: Was Osama really killed in Abbottabad? (view source)
Revision as of 23:45, May 11, 2011
, 23:45, May 11, 2011→NO: Reply to MarkN85
==NO==
==NO==
In my opinion Osama was not killed in Abbottabad. The governments refusal to puublish pictures of his corpse and the "burial at sea", which contradicts muslim funeral rites leave some very big question marks. The published videos also don't seem satisfactory to me. The fact that Osama coloured his beard is a bit too convenient to explain some Osama tapes, that are speculated to be fake.<br />
In my opinion Osama was not killed in Abbottabad. The governments refusal to publish pictures of his corpse and the "burial at sea", which contradicts muslim funeral rites leave some very big question marks. The published videos also don't seem satisfactory to me. The fact that Osama coloured his beard is a bit too convenient to explain some Osama tapes, that are speculated to be fake.<br />
I suspect that he was either killed long before Obama became president, or that he was not actually killed at all, but captured by Seal Team Six.--[[User:VPropp|VPropp]] 13:18, 11 May 2011 (EDT)
I suspect that he was either killed long before Obama became president, or that he was not actually killed at all, but captured by Seal Team Six.--[[User:VPropp|VPropp]] 13:18, 11 May 2011 (EDT)
:@MarkN85: Thanks for participating. You made some interesting arguments. I would like to address some of your points:<br />
:Let's start with a misunderstanding. In my very short text, I never once mentioned the thought of a "liberal media conspiracy"; I didn't even mention the media at all. So quite a few of your points are kind of moot.<br />
:As for the videos: The videos are to some part, what ignited my doubts. The fact that they just very conveniently explain, why in some videos Osama has a black beard again, irritates me. Why would a muslim man dye his beard? Just for vanity? In the arabic culture a grey beard is a sign of wisdom (not that Osama is/was a wise man). The videos could have been found in another Al-Quaeda hideout, or in the very hideout in Abbottabad, which still does not prove that Osama was killed there. Btw: Did you look at the timeline of the Osama videos and the doubts about their authenticity? In 2007, after three years of video silence, there was a new Bin Laden video, which froze the picture of him, every time he mentioned current events. Could it be that he has/had a voice double?<br />
:As for the motivation of Obama to lie about the whole thing: Does Obama actually need a reason to lie? But seriously, there is no direct positive effect for Obama yet, apart from the slight bump in the polls. You're right. But the alleged death of Osama opens up a way to withdraw from Afghanistan and possibly Iraq. Obama will of course wait a bit longer till he drops that political bomb, which will give him more than a slight bump in the polls.<br />
:But in the end you're right. I can't proof that Osama is still alive or died years ago. But shouldn't the burden of proof be on the one who makes the claim in the first place? Why does Obama not publish proof that can be understood by the wider public and especially by the arab people?<br /> Btw: How do you explain the burial at sea, when the sons of Hussein were presented in an open casket?