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== My opinion ==
== My opinion ==
I would like to note that the full context of these statements is far less damning than the excerpts frequently provided. The HIV one, I'll concede, is pretty dumb. --[[User:CamilleT|CamilleT]] 23:27, 12 June 2011 (EDT)
I would like to note that the full context of these statements is far less damning than the excerpts frequently provided. The HIV one, I'll concede, is pretty dumb. --[[User:CamilleT|CamilleT]] 23:27, 12 June 2011 (EDT)
:Well, yes. What is interesting is, while ''most'' African-American churches & preachers take an outspoken position and stand ''against'' homosexulity which is ''more'', "intolerant", if you will, then the American electorate as a whole, Dr. Wright's church seems to be more extreme than most African-American liberal Christians. But among rationalists and athiests, many beleive ''any'' form of religious, if not Christian, belief, is extreme, if not irrational and foolish. It's amusing to hear athiests brag and defend Obama's professed brand of religious belief. [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 23:42, 12 June 2011 (EDT)
:Well, yes. What is interesting is, while ''most'' African-American churches & preachers take an outspoken position and stand ''against'' homosexuality which is ''more'', "intolerant", if you will, then the American electorate as a whole, Dr. Wright's church seems to be more extreme than most African-American liberal Christians. But among rationalists and atheists, many believe ''any'' form of religious, if not Christian, belief, is extreme, if not irrational and foolish. It's amusing to hear atheists brag and defend Obama's professed brand of religious belief. [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 23:42, 12 June 2011 (EDT)
::I'll defend anyone if I believe they're being unfairly attacked. In this case, Wright expressed views that were not at all unorthodox on the American left. The "chicken coming home to roost" quote comes from a far more reasonable sounding speech, too:
<center>''I heard Ambassador Peck on an interview yesterday. Did anybody else see him or hear him? He was on Fox News. This is a white man, and he was upsetting the Fox News commentators to no end. He pointed out — did you see him, John? — a white man, he pointed out, ambassador, that what Malcolm X said when he got silenced by Elijah Muhammad was in fact true — America's chickens are coming home to roost.<br><br>
We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye... and now we are indignant, because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought back into our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost.<br><br>Violence begets violence. Hatred begets hatred. And terrorism begets terrorism. A white ambassador said that y'all, not a black militant. Not a reverend who preaches about racism. An ambassador whose eyes are wide open and who is trying to get us to wake up and move away from this dangerous precipice upon which we are now poised. The ambassador said the people that we have wounded don't have the military capability we have. But they do have individuals who are willing to die and take thousands with them. And we need to come to grips with that.
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These views aren't really that bad, and are arguably similar to those of, say, [[Ron Paul]].--[[User:CamilleT|CamilleT]] 23:56, 12 June 2011 (EDT)