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::::::::::::I'm not opposed to the existence of a young earth. Is your mind open to that? [[User:BradB|BradB]] 17:46, 17 June 2011 (EDT)
 
::::::::::::I'm not opposed to the existence of a young earth. Is your mind open to that? [[User:BradB|BradB]] 17:46, 17 June 2011 (EDT)
 
:::::::::::::You raise an interesting point there, Brad. Society IS inevitably becoming more and more conservative, as can be seen by the evolution of language, and as conservativism favours logical thinking, IQ should rise as an effect. What is the data showing that average IQs are decreasing, by the way? I'd love to see those studies myself, I am very interested by this subject. --[[User:LeonardO|Leo-from-UK]] 18:35, 17 June 2011 (EDT)
 
:::::::::::::You raise an interesting point there, Brad. Society IS inevitably becoming more and more conservative, as can be seen by the evolution of language, and as conservativism favours logical thinking, IQ should rise as an effect. What is the data showing that average IQs are decreasing, by the way? I'd love to see those studies myself, I am very interested by this subject. --[[User:LeonardO|Leo-from-UK]] 18:35, 17 June 2011 (EDT)
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(unindent)Brad, perhaps some graphs will help. [http://static.inky.ws/image/400/image.jpg this graph] shows liberalism (in red) increasing linearly, conservatism (in green) increasing quadratically. The point is that when we talk about liberalism or conservatism 'increasing', it means the strength and persuasiveness of the ideas; that's how both can be increasing at once. The scope and magnitude of the policies demanded by liberals increases, as does the strength and coherence of the conservative alternative. In the marketplace of ideas, the stronger ideas win out in the long run, so on average the number of adherents of either side will be in the same proportion as the relative strengths of the ideas. I hope that's clear...  [http://static.inky.ws/image/401/image.jpg This graph] shows the effect of the previous graph on numbers. Obviously these are just demonstrations of general trends, but it does show how these two effects can be reconciled. In fact, I think the graphs are rather interesting. [[User:Jcw|Jcw]] 18:49, 17 June 2011 (EDT)
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