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::Not often.  It can happen in some circumstances, but it's not routine.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 23:33, 18 July 2011 (EDT)

::Not often.  It can happen in some circumstances, but it's not routine.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 23:33, 18 July 2011 (EDT)

:::Yes there may be a need to block a sock-plant that's been inactive and never used opver time, but I've seen too many usaer accounts blocked minutes after being created. It can be because someone isn't using checkuser properly, or there's just a controversy in the air an someone doesn't want to deal with questions avbout it. If good faith is expected of users, good faith should be exhibited by sysops by ''not'' being suspicious of every new acounbt registered.  [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 23:46, 18 July 2011 (EDT)

:::Yes there may be a need to block a sock-plant that's been inactive and never used over time, but I've seen too many user accounts blocked minutes after being created. It can be because someone isn't using checkuser properly, or there's just a controversy in the air and someone doesn't want to deal with questions about it. If good faith is expected of users, good faith should be exhibited by sysops by ''not'' being suspicious of every new acount registered.  [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 23:46, 18 July 2011 (EDT)

::::To my mind the only situation where such a block would be acceptable would be a username-related offense, in which case obviously the IP should '''not''' be blocked. ('''update''': and sockpuppets)--<small>[[User:Iduan|<span style="color: #FFCCCC; background: #660000">I]][[User_talk:Iduan|<span style="color:#CCCCFF; background:#000033">Duan]]</span></span></small> 23:43, 18 July 2011 (EDT)

::::To my mind the only situation where such a block would be acceptable would be a username-related offense, in which case obviously the IP should '''not''' be blocked. ('''update''': and sockpuppets)--<small>[[User:Iduan|<span style="color: #FFCCCC; background: #660000">I]][[User_talk:Iduan|<span style="color:#CCCCFF; background:#000033">Duan]]</span></span></small> 23:43, 18 July 2011 (EDT)

:::::The failue to use first name & last initial should not be a blockable offense,IMO; and the guidelines themselves say "encouraged" or "recommended". [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 23:51, 18 July 2011 (EDT)

:::::The failue to use first name & last initial should not be a blockable offense, IMO; and the guidelines themselves say "encouraged" or "recommended". [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 23:51, 18 July 2011 (EDT)

::::::I think generally that block reason hasn't been used in a strict sense, but rather only when usernames are offensive or potentially offensive. But I agree.--<small>[[User:Iduan|<span style="color: #FFCCCC; background: #660000">I]][[User_talk:Iduan|<span style="color:#CCCCFF; background:#000033">Duan]]</span></span></small> 23:54, 18 July 2011 (EDT)

::::::I think generally that block reason hasn't been used in a strict sense, but rather only when usernames are offensive or potentially offensive. But I agree.--<small>[[User:Iduan|<span style="color: #FFCCCC; background: #660000">I]][[User_talk:Iduan|<span style="color:#CCCCFF; background:#000033">Duan]]</span></span></small> 23:54, 18 July 2011 (EDT)

:Especially 90/10 (even more so in the current "It's called 90/10, but the numbers don't actually matter" interpretation) is little more than an easy escape hatch from a debate a sysop might end up losing, so there needs to be some sort of balance to it. (More on balance later, perhaps. It's an important topic, but also a more global long shot.)

:Especially 90/10 (even more so in the current "It's called 90/10, but the numbers don't actually matter" interpretation) is little more than an easy escape hatch from a debate a sysop might end up losing, so there needs to be some sort of balance to it. (More on balance later, perhaps. It's an important topic, but also a more global long shot.)

:Some people need to keep in mind that we need to build a community. That doesn't mean blindly accepting anybody, but it also doesn't mean giving five-year-blocks to people who point out that you made a mistake. My very presence here shows that things are moving in a better direction, so let's hammer out a way to distinguish between blocking (months/years for vandalism) and nudging (hours, days to cool down). --[[User:Sid 3050|Sid 3050]] 08:03, 19 July 2011 (EDT)

:Some people need to keep in mind that we need to build a community. That doesn't mean blindly accepting anybody, but it also doesn't mean giving five-year-blocks to people who point out that you made a mistake. My very presence here shows that things are moving in a better direction, so let's hammer out a way to distinguish between blocking (months/years for vandalism) and nudging (hours, days to cool down). --[[User:Sid 3050|Sid 3050]] 08:03, 19 July 2011 (EDT)

== Infinite blocks ==

== Infinite blocks ==