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::I will say that as a devout Anglican, I personally find ''that'' opinion very offensive, but I am naturally biased. I would like to bring up the fact that I have heard the same thing said of Irish Roman Catholics (which I also find dubious), where the Catholic Church was nothing more than a social organization, and that people were Catholic solely because of the social and not spiritual benefits. Furthermore your opinion that the Anglican Church has done nothing but create complacency is at odds with the revival of Anglican monasticism and the resurgence of pilgrimage sites like Our Lady of Walsingham, which was started by the Anglican Church and then copied by the Roman Catholics. Though England is certainly  not as conservative as the States, leave the Church of England out of it.--[[User:IScott|IScott]] 19:41, 20 July 2011 (EDT)
 
::I will say that as a devout Anglican, I personally find ''that'' opinion very offensive, but I am naturally biased. I would like to bring up the fact that I have heard the same thing said of Irish Roman Catholics (which I also find dubious), where the Catholic Church was nothing more than a social organization, and that people were Catholic solely because of the social and not spiritual benefits. Furthermore your opinion that the Anglican Church has done nothing but create complacency is at odds with the revival of Anglican monasticism and the resurgence of pilgrimage sites like Our Lady of Walsingham, which was started by the Anglican Church and then copied by the Roman Catholics. Though England is certainly  not as conservative as the States, leave the Church of England out of it.--[[User:IScott|IScott]] 19:41, 20 July 2011 (EDT)
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:::You raise a valid point.  Perhaps England would be even more liberal in the absence of the Church of England.  How about this: let's move it to the "dubious explanation" category and include your rebuttal.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 20:00, 20 July 2011 (EDT)
    
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