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Talk:Essay: Indian Christian culture is better than low-class atheist "culture" (view source)
Revision as of 15:13, August 12, 2011
, 15:13, August 12, 2011→This essay is against the letter of the Gospel and the spirit of ecclesiastical history: or even Ecc 5:12
::::That's to add to the previous example of St Thomas Aquinas. And actually, I don't believe the Bible does expressly say that gluttony is a sin. The idea of the seven deadly sins was a medieval extrapolation from Aristotle, ''not'' the Bible, and was largely pioneered by Thomas Aquinas himself, aptly enough.--[[User:CPalmer|CPalmer]] 08:50, 12 August 2011 (EDT)
::::That's to add to the previous example of St Thomas Aquinas. And actually, I don't believe the Bible does expressly say that gluttony is a sin. The idea of the seven deadly sins was a medieval extrapolation from Aristotle, ''not'' the Bible, and was largely pioneered by Thomas Aquinas himself, aptly enough.--[[User:CPalmer|CPalmer]] 08:50, 12 August 2011 (EDT)
::::::Jesus's detractors can hardly be considered reliable witnesses. I find it hard to believe that an "traveling preacher" was overweight. Jesus's detractors also said He has a demon by the way. There are multiple verses of the Bible saying gluttony is a sin and nothing is going to change that. Philipians 3:18-21: "For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: 19 whose end is destruction, whose god is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame—who set their mind on earthly things. 20 For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body, according to the working by which He is able even to subdue all things to Himself."[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 11:00, 12 August 2011 (EDT)
::::::Jesus's detractors can hardly be considered reliable witnesses. I find it hard to believe that an "traveling preacher" was overweight. Jesus's detractors also said He has a demon by the way. There are multiple verses of the Bible saying gluttony is a sin and nothing is going to change that. Philipians 3:18-21: "For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: 19 whose end is destruction, whose god is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame—who set their mind on earthly things. 20 For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body, according to the working by which He is able even to subdue all things to Himself."[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 11:00, 12 August 2011 (EDT)
:::::::Obviously if you overindulge to the point of making your belly your God, you are sinning. It's a form of idolatry, just like obsessing over money or power or anything to an unhealthy degree. But this Penn Gillette doesn't seem to be doing that - he seems to have plenty of interests outside eating. His God isn't his belly. I'd say that the Bible advises against gluttony, but I wouldn't say it said it was definitively a sin.
:::::::Does Jesus ever condemn enjoyment of food? He performed his first miracle at a feast, he told parables where people celebrate by feasting (eg prodigal son), he miraculously fed thousands of people at a time, and he even made communal eating the basis of the Eucharist, which is central to the Christian faith. He was not an ascetic.
:::::::Overweight or not (and probably not), the fact that Jesus was able to shrug off accusations of gluttony without particularly addressing them shows that He didn't consider it a serious accusation. Compare the treatment he gave accusations of not honouring the Sabbath, for example.--[[User:CPalmer|CPalmer]] 11:13, 12 August 2011 (EDT)
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