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:::SamHB, I really appreciate your intervent. Andy, you're right, logic and science are not determined by consensus, but if someone's logic fails someone else should tell him, don't you think? Why are you so firm in keeping this page in this form when there are (lots of) people who ''knows'' what are they talking about? --[[User:MM87|<font color="#E56717">'''MM'''</font>]]''[[User_talk:MM87|<font color="#FBB117">'''''87'''''</font>]] 08:29, 15 August 2011 (EDT)

:::SamHB, I really appreciate your intervent. Andy, you're right, logic and science are not determined by consensus, but if someone's logic fails someone else should tell him, don't you think? Why are you so firm in keeping this page in this form when there are (lots of) people who ''knows'' what are they talking about? --[[User:MM87|<font color="#E56717">'''MM'''</font>]]''[[User_talk:MM87|<font color="#FBB117">'''''87'''''</font>]] 08:29, 15 August 2011 (EDT)

::::SamHB, MM87, and Andy: there is a very good reason why this page should be kept. The reason is just not to repeat the same objections against relativity over and over. It may be better organized but not by removing silly objections but explaining them slowly point by point by a competent physicists (possibly an experimentalist, of Feynman type, if such types are still around). As e.g. I tried to explain objection #3 (Pioneer anomaly). Potentially wrong explanation but also turning attention of "relativists" (if they read this page) to the existence of competing explenation that otherwise may be ignored. If they don't read it then they should since it may contain some good ideas that may help them in keeping [[science]] at a proper level. E.g. #3 may seem to be explained but it may be also a prejudice based on a possibly false assumption that the universe is expanding. Which may be just an optical illusion as I try to point out elsewhere. This illusion is within 1 standard deviation off the "Pioneer anomaly". Of course it might be a coincidence but may be an indication that the expansion of the universe is really an illusion. As all other "coincidences", including quasars, non symmetric tensor of flat spacetime, and impossibility to create energy from nothing, seem to indicate. [[User:JimJast|JimJast]] 19:12, 15 August 2011 (EDT)

::::SamHB, MM87, and Andy: there is a very good reason why this page should be kept. The reason is just not to repeat the same objections against relativity over and over. It may be better organized but not by removing silly objections but explaining them slowly point by point by a competent physicists (possibly an experimentalist, of Feynman type, if such types are still around). As e.g. I tried to explain objection #3 (Pioneer anomaly). Potentially wrong explanation but also turning attention of "relativists" (if they read this page) to the existence of competing explenation that otherwise may be ignored. If they don't read it then they should since it may contain some good ideas that may help them in keeping [[science]] at a proper level. E.g. #3 may seem to be explained but it may be also a prejudice based on a possibly false assumption that the universe is expanding. Which may be just an optical illusion as I try to point out elsewhere. This illusion is within 1 standard deviation off the "Pioneer anomaly". Of course it might be a coincidence but may be an indication that the expansion of the universe is really an illusion. As all other "coincidences", including quasars, non symmetric metric tensor of flat spacetime, and impossibility to create energy from nothing, seem to indicate and yet being all kept in the "standard cosmological model". [[User:JimJast|JimJast]] 19:12, 15 August 2011 (EDT)