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Line 44: − Of course it is possible for God to be timeless, are not all things possible for God? − “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” Mt 19:26 --[[User:JUST1N|JUST1N]] 08:47, 16 August 2011 (EDT) − Line 58:
Line 55: − − I'm afraid that I actually do know :P. The only logical solution to wheter God is or isn't timeless is that He is. If you go back in time to before the world then ask "what was before that?" you find that there was only God. Then if you go back furtherand ask "what was before that?" you get the same answere. God has to have existed before he existed, excuse the bad phrase. If He didn't exist at some point in time, however far back that could be, then nothing in the univerese (which, coincidentally wouln't exist) would be able to create God. This is too much for the human mind to comprehend, but it can only be the truth. Just like the trinity. --[[User:JUST1N|JUST1N]] 08:47, 16 August 2011 (EDT)
Debate: Is it possible for God to be timeless? (view source)
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, 16:20, August 16, 2011Reverted edits by JUST1N (talk) to last revision by RichardA21
According to Einstein, who believed in God, we live within a created space/time continuum. According to Jesus, "Before Abraham was, I AM". An "Eternal Creator" has always existed; as such, an Eternal Creator may have always created. Our concept of "time" is a created dimension, rather than true reality from God's view. Since we are trapped within a universal space/time continuum, we cannot conceive of eternity or all that eternity implies. Our own reality in no way proves there is no such thing as an Eternal being, any more than the reality of a microbe living inside of our intestines, proves there is no such thing as a human being. Eternal Creator(s) satisfies origins and rationally explains the observable universal reality. There is no other concept known to humanity that rationally explains the observable reality, other than Eternal Creator(s). What human beings call "science" historically, has long been the BEST explanation until proven otherwise. Thus, Eternal Creator(s) remains the ultimate correct postulate of science until proven otherwise, as it remains both the BEST and ONLY rational explanation known for the observable universal reality. If there is no Eternal Creator(s), then there is no rational explanation for anything and thus, there is no science or reason.
According to Einstein, who believed in God, we live within a created space/time continuum. According to Jesus, "Before Abraham was, I AM". An "Eternal Creator" has always existed; as such, an Eternal Creator may have always created. Our concept of "time" is a created dimension, rather than true reality from God's view. Since we are trapped within a universal space/time continuum, we cannot conceive of eternity or all that eternity implies. Our own reality in no way proves there is no such thing as an Eternal being, any more than the reality of a microbe living inside of our intestines, proves there is no such thing as a human being. Eternal Creator(s) satisfies origins and rationally explains the observable universal reality. There is no other concept known to humanity that rationally explains the observable reality, other than Eternal Creator(s). What human beings call "science" historically, has long been the BEST explanation until proven otherwise. Thus, Eternal Creator(s) remains the ultimate correct postulate of science until proven otherwise, as it remains both the BEST and ONLY rational explanation known for the observable universal reality. If there is no Eternal Creator(s), then there is no rational explanation for anything and thus, there is no science or reason.
== No ==
== No ==
Would you say that God is outside of logic too? The fact that you can assert that God exists means that you are conforming God to logic, since affirming his very existence means obeying the logical law of non-contradiction. -Barnes
Would you say that God is outside of logic too? The fact that you can assert that God exists means that you are conforming God to logic, since affirming his very existence means obeying the logical law of non-contradiction. -Barnes
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Yes