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::::::::::: No, I think that most of US physicists are liberals, too. A lot of them are also atheists or agnostics. But I simply don't see the link between liberalism, or moral relativitsm, or whathever you want, and the physical theory of relativity. I don't see it because it doesn't exist. Physical laws are purely a reflection of nature's laws: if you don't like relativity, well, you don't like the way nature behaves. This has nothing to do with humans behaviour or politics. While in other "sciences" (such as economics and psychology) there are a lot of contrasting paradigms, in physics experiments rules. A lot of paradigms (such as "all is made of matter", "movement is absolute" and things like that) were abandoned in the history of science because of experiments (I don't think this is true for economics, for example), not politics. This mechanism stops when theory is not comparable with experiments, such in the string theory case: in this case, research is driven in the direction of the mainstream thought for non-scientifical reasons (as you was saying before talking about relativity, today - or since some years ago - every young theoretical particle physicist in US had to study string theory to have the chance to have an academic career). But this is definitely not the case for Relativity, since the experimental proofs are '''overwhelming'''.  
 
::::::::::: No, I think that most of US physicists are liberals, too. A lot of them are also atheists or agnostics. But I simply don't see the link between liberalism, or moral relativitsm, or whathever you want, and the physical theory of relativity. I don't see it because it doesn't exist. Physical laws are purely a reflection of nature's laws: if you don't like relativity, well, you don't like the way nature behaves. This has nothing to do with humans behaviour or politics. While in other "sciences" (such as economics and psychology) there are a lot of contrasting paradigms, in physics experiments rules. A lot of paradigms (such as "all is made of matter", "movement is absolute" and things like that) were abandoned in the history of science because of experiments (I don't think this is true for economics, for example), not politics. This mechanism stops when theory is not comparable with experiments, such in the string theory case: in this case, research is driven in the direction of the mainstream thought for non-scientifical reasons (as you was saying before talking about relativity, today - or since some years ago - every young theoretical particle physicist in US had to study string theory to have the chance to have an academic career). But this is definitely not the case for Relativity, since the experimental proofs are '''overwhelming'''.  
 
::::::::::: Ok, maybe is possible to modify Newton's gravity law in order to explain the perihelion shift of Mercury. I did not verify this, but this time I'll trust you. Good. What about the speed of light? And what about the lifetime of particles near the speed of light? (don't forget to answer to the other points with reliable sources... or deleting points 7-8-13-16-26-32-33) --[[User:MM87|<font color="#E56717">'''MM'''</font>]]''[[User_talk:MM87|<font color="#FBB117">'''''87'''''</font>]] 07:30, 17 August 2011 (EDT)
 
::::::::::: Ok, maybe is possible to modify Newton's gravity law in order to explain the perihelion shift of Mercury. I did not verify this, but this time I'll trust you. Good. What about the speed of light? And what about the lifetime of particles near the speed of light? (don't forget to answer to the other points with reliable sources... or deleting points 7-8-13-16-26-32-33) --[[User:MM87|<font color="#E56717">'''MM'''</font>]]''[[User_talk:MM87|<font color="#FBB117">'''''87'''''</font>]] 07:30, 17 August 2011 (EDT)
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::::::::::::The reality is that Relativity is '''''not''''' based on observations of nature, and never has been.  It's a mathematical theory and a worldview that liberals would like nature to obey.  But nature doesn't obey it.  The mathematical theory came first and for a century people have been trying to fit it to the data.  The fit isn't there, but liberals like the political effect of the theory so they don't permit criticism of it.  Can you cite anyone who won a Nobel Prize after criticizing Relativity?  [[Robert H. Dicke]] is an example of a great physicist who was denied the Nobel Prize because he dared criticize the liberal theory of Relativity.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 20:14, 17 August 2011 (EDT)
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