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::::::::::::The reality is that Relativity is '''''not''''' based on observations of nature, and never has been.  It's a mathematical theory and a worldview that liberals would like nature to obey.  But nature doesn't obey it.  The mathematical theory came first and for a century people have been trying to fit it to the data.  The fit isn't there, but liberals like the political effect of the theory so they don't permit criticism of it.  Can you cite anyone who won a Nobel Prize after criticizing Relativity?  [[Robert H. Dicke]] is an example of a great physicist who was denied the Nobel Prize because he dared criticize the liberal theory of Relativity.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 20:14, 17 August 2011 (EDT)
 
::::::::::::The reality is that Relativity is '''''not''''' based on observations of nature, and never has been.  It's a mathematical theory and a worldview that liberals would like nature to obey.  But nature doesn't obey it.  The mathematical theory came first and for a century people have been trying to fit it to the data.  The fit isn't there, but liberals like the political effect of the theory so they don't permit criticism of it.  Can you cite anyone who won a Nobel Prize after criticizing Relativity?  [[Robert H. Dicke]] is an example of a great physicist who was denied the Nobel Prize because he dared criticize the liberal theory of Relativity.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 20:14, 17 August 2011 (EDT)
 
:::::::::::::Quick question (from someone who doesn't know science all to well) what is the "political effect" of the theory of relativity? [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 20:23, 17 August 2011 (EDT)
 
:::::::::::::Quick question (from someone who doesn't know science all to well) what is the "political effect" of the theory of relativity? [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 20:23, 17 August 2011 (EDT)
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:::::::::::: It is true that there are Einstein biographers who claim that he invented relativity from pure thought, without attention to experiment. But it is not true that mathematical theory came first. Relativistic mass was already being tested in 1901, before Einstein. All of the original relativity papers cited experimental evidence. Eg, Minkowski said relativity was "grown on experimental physical grounds". See also my blog.[http://blog.darkbuzz.com/2011/08/favoring-empiricist-conception-of.html] [[User:RSchlafly|RSchlafly]] 01:13, 18 August 2011 (EDT)

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