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Line 34: − − I tried to edit the introductory section that should have defined what censorship is but did not. I cannot get into it. Therefore, I’ll attempt to define "censorship" in this section. − In the United States there are many definitions of “censorship” but they all have the following characteristics in common: 1) action to stop or hinder others from gaining access to a written, graphic, video or oral source of material, 2) the person or people taking the action have logical, rational and/or emotional reasons for blocking access such as one or more of the following bases: morality, age appropriateness, national security and protection, invasion of privacy and libel or scandalous material and 3) the person or people either have legitimate power [government (legislative, judiciary or executive)], legal recourse by group/groups or assertions with the power of numbers (i.e., parental groups) or use other bases of power (i.e., referent, expert authority, etc.). − − In America, censorship has been a relatively innocuous issue. Historically, the term has been reserved for the practice of officially examining books, literature, movies, art, video games, etc. with the intention of suppressing unacceptable parts deemed unacceptable by a group on the basis of a standard of morality, a religious belief or standard of violence...typically on the basis of age inappropriateness. It has not reached the depths of that’s its reached in other countries. It has had few political overtones. − − The American news media (print and television) have had periods of controversy and have had accusations of liberal bias leveled against it by conservative political groups including the Republican Party. This has never escalated to accusations of censorship. Recently, accusations of political bias have been heard in the opposite direction: with a few liberal political groups suggesting that the news media provides a narrow vacuous source of “the Republicans said, the Democrats said” type of news…offering no commentary nor analyses. If there is a bias, neither party is crying foul. Again there has been nothing approaching accusations of censorship. However, the “alternative news media” on the Internet especially those that use legitimate news standards of analyses, have grown in number and size. All operating within the current political climate of polarity. − − The term “censorship” has been used in other countries, in other time frames and in other contexts: South and Central American dictatorships censor newspapers/airways, China’s communist dictatorship censor political demonstration and dissent and Hitler censored all but Nazi propaganda in Germany. [[User:PMiller|PMiller]] 04:32, 15 September 2011 (CST) Line 96:
Line 87: − The individual teacher is only following the law/Supreme Court/ U.S.Constitution. It cannot be called censorship because the teacher is not acting on her free will. The First Amendment of the U. S. Constitution states, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof has....". Prayer is not permitted in public schools because that was the founding fathers intention to keep the church and state separate. --[[User: PMurdock|PMurdock]] 05:01, 14 September 2011 (CST) Line 116:
Line 106: + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + − Dollfuss brought up an excellent points that are so obvious that it slipped by everyone. Censorship is NOT solely a liberal trait otherwise there wouldn't be such rancor over including differences of opinion on Conservapedia. We must keep in mind that absolutely nothing on this site should be "opinion-based". Isn't "censorship" + − − Censorship is not simply a condemnation of a different opinions, is it? I do not think soAt the heart of any intellectual, open discussion is DIALOGUE. I'm concerned with a prevalent attitude on Conservapedia that rushes to judgment especially about the liberal point of view. The liberal point of view is NOT the enemy: it's a legitimate perspective (i.e., a large percentage of the population have it) and it deserves a fair hearing. fair presentation of its perspectives/views. Would we not expect the same? I haven't read much on this site but what I have read begins to give the impression that this is not an open forum of DIALOGUE. It's beginning to sound like war: as if one side is all wrong and the other is all correct. Somewhere between the two extremes is the Truth. Better yet...somewhere between the two extremes will be found commonality and perhaps the political polarity will be resolved. --[[PMurdock]] 05:01, 14 September 2011 (CST)
→Criticism of atheism: new section
Will somebody please be a dear and redo this article [[User:DLerner|DLerner]] 06:34, 11 March 2008 (EDT)
Will somebody please be a dear and redo this article [[User:DLerner|DLerner]] 06:34, 11 March 2008 (EDT)
== Rewritten intro ==
== Rewritten intro ==
::Thanks for the prompt response. Your definition is interesting. I wonder about some aspects, however. For example, point 2 seems too broad to be meaningful. What does "removal of information" mean in the context of prayer? Surely censorship requires the prevention of information passing from one person to another. That is at the heart of my comment above. Prayer, as I understand it, is between an individual and the Almighty. I do not see how any human authority could prevent such communication. Further, refusing to allow classroom prayer does not stop anyone diseminating Christian (or other religious) ideas at school. Free discussion is still allowed (so far as I am aware). It seems to me to be a doubtful example at best. Do the cases that you refer to throw any light on the issue? I have not had the pleasure of reading them. --[[User:TCochrane|TCochrane]] 18:14, 26 December 2008 (EST)
::Thanks for the prompt response. Your definition is interesting. I wonder about some aspects, however. For example, point 2 seems too broad to be meaningful. What does "removal of information" mean in the context of prayer? Surely censorship requires the prevention of information passing from one person to another. That is at the heart of my comment above. Prayer, as I understand it, is between an individual and the Almighty. I do not see how any human authority could prevent such communication. Further, refusing to allow classroom prayer does not stop anyone diseminating Christian (or other religious) ideas at school. Free discussion is still allowed (so far as I am aware). It seems to me to be a doubtful example at best. Do the cases that you refer to throw any light on the issue? I have not had the pleasure of reading them. --[[User:TCochrane|TCochrane]] 18:14, 26 December 2008 (EST)
== made some edits ==
== made some edits ==
I'm honestly not 'trolling' or trying to insult anything or anyone here... I want to be respectful. But isn't it a contradiction to say that censorship is a liberal trait, when this website itself censors edits and talk pages? Please don't misunderstand, I'm not trying to cause offence, just wondering. -- Dollfuss.
I'm honestly not 'trolling' or trying to insult anything or anyone here... I want to be respectful. But isn't it a contradiction to say that censorship is a liberal trait, when this website itself censors edits and talk pages? Please don't misunderstand, I'm not trying to cause offence, just wondering. -- Dollfuss.
:Perhaps the topics of "political censorship" or "religious censorship" should be separated from censorship in general. [[User:Dhdidnac|Dhdidnac]] 10:34, 12 January 2014 (EST)
== examples of censorship ==
I know this is a conservative encyclopedia, but the lack of neutral examples in the intro makes it sound silly. Like the example "Censorship can also take the form of ostracizing students for expressing pro-life or other conservative views". That example SHOULD be broadened to "Censorship can also take the form of ostracizing students for expressing ideas that conflict with their professor's ideology" because that is more the issue. Yes, it happens to people who express conservative views, but there are also professors who have conservative viewpoints and ostracize liberal ones. I am not going to get into a fight over this, but i do suggest changing back to my previous edit. thanks :) --[[User:AlexanderSz|AlexanderSz]] 15:50, 4 December 2011 (EST)
:Can you give an example of conservative professors censoring liberal students? Conservatism is all about [[open mind]]edness. [[User:NickP|NickP]] 16:04, 4 December 2011 (EST)
:: My highschool band teacher wouldnt let us include a John Lennon song in our Christmas song medley because it "Promoted communism". The song actually about peace and never mentions collectivism or economy or politics (beyond being pro peace). My seventh grade History Teacher blatantly pushed pro life and pro War in Iraq ideas into 7th graders while silencing anti war arguments (granted the arguments sucked because the kids were 12 but that makes his overt political agenda all the more inappropriate). This compared to my 10th grade history teacher who, while being a moderate liberal, always played devils advocate (i only learned of his political views through a conversation i had with him during non school hours). in college i have not noticed anything substantial. Like I Said, I have no desire to make this into a war but I think that making the examples more universal/more accurate would benefit the quality of this website--[[User:AlexanderSz|AlexanderSz]] 16:20, 4 December 2011 (EST)
:::If no one responds I will take it as a yes. --[[User:AlexanderSz|AlexanderSz]] 19:28, 5 December 2011 (EST)
::::An individual specific case is not evidence. There is widespread, public evidence of liberalism being forced on students. [[User:NickP|NickP]] 19:36, 5 December 2011 (EST)
::::::Even still, I don't think it is necessarily fair to only include liberal examples of censorship, without showing libertarian or conservative examples. I mean, only liberals censor people? In all of Earth? Do not take this the wrong way, obviously, liberals are censorship fanatics, but this seems like an agenda push. [[User:The99Percent|The99Percent]] ([[User talk:The99Percent|talk]]) 19:03, 20 May 2021 (EDT)
:::::::Isn't that what censorship is, pushing an agenda? So if people were to censor criticism of censorship, are they pushing an agenda? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 19:20, 20 May 2021 (EDT)
:::::::::That's not what I said. I am only saying that there are conservatives censoring liberals, and liberals censoring conservatives. We should at least mention that, then give our counterarguments to it. I'm not saying we should libwash the page, just mention the counterargument, conservative censorship, and rebut it. That's it. [[User:The99Percent|The99Percent]] ([[User talk:The99Percent|talk]]) 19:38, 20 May 2021 (EDT)
::::::::::hmm, well if conservatives controlled any mainstream media apparatus you might have an argument there. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 20:31, 20 May 2021 (EDT)
::::::::::::Well, they do: The Philippines. The MSM there is largely conservative, and the social media apps there regulary target liberals for blocking. Your rebuttal? [[User:The99Percent|The99Percent]] ([[User talk:The99Percent|talk]]) 20:41, 20 May 2021 (EDT)
==Communist v. Russian==
The recent edit war totally misses the context; CNN and MSNBC for example, is not "Russian disinformation'. CNN and MSNBC spread communist misinformation about Russia. 14:52, April 7, 2022 (EDT)
:Please explain the reason for your reverts in future, before making bogus edit warring claims. The other items were reasonable surely? Calling liberal media "communist" is on par with calling conservatives fascists. Russia was totalItalian and remains so, that is why Putin and Xi Jinping are more important than Trump or Biden!
== Criticism of atheism ==
This statement "Wikipedia has no articles about the ills of atheism", isn't exactly true, as there is the article [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_atheism "Criticism of atheism"]. --[[User:Jackin the box|Jackin the box]] ([[User talk:Jackin the box|talk]]) 11:04, May 2, 2022 (EDT)