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:::There are many other pseudo scientific "theories" popping around and scientific journals can't waste space and time on rejecting them all and leave the rejection to "[[relativists]]". It creates an impression of the BBH being right which only "crackpots" like myself object to. But of course even a crackpot might be right especially when the ideas he/she supports are supported also by rigorous physics and math as in this case. Thanks for responding and consider the case explained. [[User:JimJast|JimJast]] 14:41, 16 September 2011 (EDT)

:::There are many other pseudo scientific "theories" popping around and scientific journals can't waste space and time on rejecting them all and leave the rejection to "[[relativists]]". It creates an impression of the BBH being right which only "crackpots" like myself object to. But of course even a crackpot might be right especially when the ideas he/she supports are supported also by rigorous physics and math as in this case. Thanks for responding and consider the case explained. [[User:JimJast|JimJast]] 14:41, 16 September 2011 (EDT)

:::::"you think that Catholics make it ''also'' a part of ''their faith'" I would say that many Catholics do. :) One of the reason why there were so many scientists who were Catholic monks is from St. Francis saying that we must understand nature so that we can most appreciate the world God has given us. Dominicans pursue science because they believe that knowledge is the path to God, which includes scientific knowledge. Combined with the allegorical interpretation of Genesis, many Catholics pursue these theories fully without seeing any contradiction with their faith (and instead see it as necessary to pursue them to best fulfill their faith). :) By the way, there has been no establishment of a universal understanding of matter, so the idea that the Big Bang was "proven" wrong is not true - there are a few contradictions, but there are a few contradictions in everything because we have not figured out how to tie all the loose ends together. P.S. I've had plenty of college level physics classes and not one ever dismissed the Big Bang. :) [[User:Ottava|Ottava]] ([[user talk:Ottava|talk]]) 15:28, 16 September 2011 (EDT)

:::::"you think that Catholics make it ''also'' a part of ''their faith'" I would say that many Catholics do. :) One of the reason why there were so many scientists who were Catholic monks is from St. Francis saying that we must understand nature so that we can most appreciate the world God has given us. Dominicans pursue science because they believe that knowledge is the path to God, which includes scientific knowledge. Combined with the allegorical interpretation of Genesis, many Catholics pursue these theories fully without seeing any contradiction with their faith (and instead see it as necessary to pursue them to best fulfill their faith). :) By the way, there has been no establishment of a universal understanding of matter, so the idea that the Big Bang was "proven" wrong is not true - there are a few contradictions, but there are a few contradictions in everything because we have not figured out how to tie all the loose ends together. P.S. I've had plenty of college level physics classes and not one ever dismissed the Big Bang. :) [[User:Ottava|Ottava]] ([[user talk:Ottava|talk]]) 15:28, 16 September 2011 (EDT)

My understanding is the Catholic Church has given ''qualified'' acceptance to Big Bang / evolution / etc., on the basis that that was the predominant scientific opinion, and they want Catholicism and Science to coexist harmoniously. The major qualification, as I understand it, is the need for a literal Adam and Eve and a literal Fall. But God could have say, permitted life to evolve up to higher animals, but then as a special act of creation God created Adam. (Maybe he created Adam out of some evolved primate species). The Church doesn't insist that Genesis need be read completely literally, but some elements (existence of Adam/Eve) are so important theologically they can't be dispensed with. How can Christ be the New Adam if there never was an old one? If the Fall never happened, who needs Redemption? Of course, while I understand this to be the official position, not all Catholics agree with it, or are even aware of it, which is not an uncommon thing in the Catholic church. [[User:Maratrean|Maratrean]] 15:22, 15 September 2011 (EDT)

My understanding is the Catholic Church has given ''qualified'' acceptance to Big Bang / evolution / etc., on the basis that that was the predominant scientific opinion, and they want Catholicism and Science to coexist harmoniously. The major qualification, as I understand it, is the need for a literal Adam and Eve and a literal Fall. But God could have say, permitted life to evolve up to higher animals, but then as a special act of creation God created Adam. (Maybe he created Adam out of some evolved primate species). The Church doesn't insist that Genesis need be read completely literally, but some elements (existence of Adam/Eve) are so important theologically they can't be dispensed with. How can Christ be the New Adam if there never was an old one? If the Fall never happened, who needs Redemption? Of course, while I understand this to be the official position, not all Catholics agree with it, or are even aware of it, which is not an uncommon thing in the Catholic church. [[User:Maratrean|Maratrean]] 15:22, 15 September 2011 (EDT)