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Talk:Mystery:What Percentage Go To Hell?

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/* The "not-so-fun" part */
== Fun ==
Even if you go into [[Kabbalah|Kabbalahistic]] or [[Numerology|numerological]] arguments (''the obvious answer is 666‰''), the whole thing is amusingly silly - so it's a nice break from more serious business like translating the Bible correctly. [[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 18:01, 20 September 2011 (EDT)
:Nothing "amusing" about this. There is a correct answer - a specific percentage. What is it?--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 18:25, 20 September 2011 (EDT)
::Unknown to all but god.--[[User:SeanS|SeanS]] 18:26, 20 September 2011 (EDT)
:::The precise percentage may be unknown, but estimates are surely possible. For example, the percentage must be less than 100%, and more than 0%.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 18:27, 20 September 2011 (EDT)
::::The number I gave (80 at best/most optimistic, and up to 90 at most pessimistic/realistic) tends ot be the one ive seen the most. I am questioning the includion of the percentage of US church goers, as that only includes people in the states.--[[User:SeanS|SeanS]] 18:30, 20 September 2011 (EDT)
::::Your insight about this is superb. I moved your edit higher in the table.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 18:38, 20 September 2011 (EDT)
===The "not-so-fun" part===
Anyone who rejects the free gift of salvation through Jesus Christ is doomed to hell. God is patient; people have plenty of chances and opportunities with which to accept Christ...but only while they're alive. After death is the judgement, and unfortunately there's going to be a huge percentage of people going there then going to Heaven. So, time to make the choice now. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 18:33, 20 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::::::::::But ''you'' have heard of Jesus, so where do ''you'' stand in this? Do you reject Him or accept Him? [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 20:32, 20 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::I accept Him; that's quite evident. What I am saying is that there is a distinction (dating even further than Aquinas; we can find it in ''City of God'' Bk. 11 Ch.1 (c.410 AD) between (1) people who know about Jesus, yet willingly reject Him, and (2) people who never heard of Him in the first place. The citation of Matthew 7:22-23 (above) is precisely that - Jesus is not saying what will happen to those who have never heard of Him, He is explaining what will happen to those who heard of Him yet choose to reject Him. [[User:RexBanner|RexBanner]] 20:36, 20 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::: the harrowing of hell isnt even biblical, And no, those who were jewish are a different case. a nd i dispute Thomas's authority because he isnt above the bible Final Edit to this comment: Actually, that passage is for people claiming to be christians and doing acts in christs name without BEING actually christian. That includes liberal Christians who have accepted a false gospel of christ--[[User:SeanS|SeanS]] 20:50, 20 September 2011 (EDT) == Interesting == This reminds me ::::::::::::::::: The Harrowing of a short story by Philip Jose Farmer in which a hallucinating priest sees Hell and decides there is no justice referenced in such a fate: Matthew 12:40, Acts 2:31 and he takes it upon himself to try and replace every single damned soul. He spends the night running about the city trying to spare Hell's denizens as much pain as he can.--[[User2:CamilleT|CamilleT]] 18:2327, 20 September 2011 (EDT) and 1 Peter 3:Perhaps the story is an attempt to downplay or deny [[Hell]]? Denying something doesn't change reality.19--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 18:26, 20 September 2011 (EDT) == Trying to look past the Rayleigh limit == In Pathology we use microscopes a lot. The magnification power of light microscopes has not improved in the last 200 years, the reason for this It is light diffraction, a bit off the point of the metaphorindeed Biblical. Anyways back on pointOn what basis do you state that Jews who died before Christ are granted entry into Heaven? What Scriptural verses are you using? And as for "Jews", there is a limit that would necessarily exclude all Old Testament figures who died prior to how small an object we can see with a microscope, a ribosome for instance cannot be satisfactorily observed, it's just too small, too far from reach; if you increase the curvature giving of the lens you can make the ribosome appear large enough to seeMosaic Code in Exodus, Leviticus, but when you've got it that large the light diffraction will scatter the image and make it impossible to resolveDeuteronomy. So when are Adam and Noah in Hell for being neither Christian nor Jew? Lastly; I agree with you have an answer at hand there that Thomas Aquinas is no way to tell if it's right or not and when you have above the means to tell if Bible, therefore his authority is questionable. But you've got are also not above the right answer youBible; so logically, your authority is just as questionable as mine or Aquinas've got nothing to test it on. YouForgive me, I don're trying t wish this to see behind be a veil to a matter divisive issue and I intend no disresepct whatsoever. I am simply pointing out that is Godwe must be mindful of the distinction between those who consciously reject Christ's alone. Hopefully that made some sensegift, yesterday was a long night in the lab :( --[[User:DrDean|DrDean]] 18:38, 20 September 2011 (EDT) == JW view == @SeanS - Is and those who are unaware of it OK if I put that back in? After all, technically the JWs believe that only 144,000 will actually go to heavenfirst place. --[[User:LesCoyleRexBanner|LesCoyleRexBanner]] 20:5759, 20 September 2011 (EDT)