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::::: I'm not sure that I totally follow your reasoning there, but the problem is with your definition of faith, which, biblically, is trust, based on evidence.  You seem to be assuming that faith is belief held without evidence.  See [http://tektonics.org/whatis/whatfaith.html here] for a better explanation.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 04:17, 8 April 2007 (EDT)
 
::::: I'm not sure that I totally follow your reasoning there, but the problem is with your definition of faith, which, biblically, is trust, based on evidence.  You seem to be assuming that faith is belief held without evidence.  See [http://tektonics.org/whatis/whatfaith.html here] for a better explanation.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 04:17, 8 April 2007 (EDT)
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:::Well, Philip, you've proven one of my suspicions -- you ''do'' rely on the exegesis and opinions of other insofar as they suppoort your belief system.  Now, try to find, for example, a discussion of faith that is ''not'' from an apologetics site.  Faith is very much the belief in things for which there is no logical basis, no physical proof, no evidence (except in the mind of a believer -- the tautology of faith).  Why are you seemingly so afraid to go outside the safe realm of apologetics and look into other opnions? [[User:NousEpirrhytos|NousEpirrhytos]] 07:30, 8 April 2007 (EDT)
    
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