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| | :::::But the Koran doesn't - and the Koran is the Word of God. --[[User:Petrus|Petrus]] 10:54, 8 April 2007 (EDT) | | :::::But the Koran doesn't - and the Koran is the Word of God. --[[User:Petrus|Petrus]] 10:54, 8 April 2007 (EDT) |
| | + | ::::::So? You asked who does say it, and the Bible does say it, so the Koran ''not'' saying it doesn't change that. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 12:37, 8 April 2007 (EDT) |
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| | :::Further proof of the need to read. I'm talking about assuming Jesus to be just a man, not a god. Try to consider that possibility...it will not harm your faith and you might even learn something in the process. Also, why not try (if you haven't, already) reading the bible without relying on exegesis or the opinions of others, there again you might learn something. | | :::Further proof of the need to read. I'm talking about assuming Jesus to be just a man, not a god. Try to consider that possibility...it will not harm your faith and you might even learn something in the process. Also, why not try (if you haven't, already) reading the bible without relying on exegesis or the opinions of others, there again you might learn something. |
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| | :::::I can't think of any convincing evidence from the Bible that Jesus thought he was God, let alone the Creator - so perhaps you'd better enlighten us? Simple references will do. --[[User:Petrus|Petrus]] 10:54, 8 April 2007 (EDT) | | :::::I can't think of any convincing evidence from the Bible that Jesus thought he was God, let alone the Creator - so perhaps you'd better enlighten us? Simple references will do. --[[User:Petrus|Petrus]] 10:54, 8 April 2007 (EDT) |
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| | + | ::::::I hope you mean that you can't think of any references, rather than you can't think of any "convincing evidence", else I'm probably wasting my time. But here are two (both are talking about Jesus): |
| | + | {{QuoteBox|In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. (John 1:1-3, NIV)}} |
| | + | {{QuoteBox|For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. (Colossians 1:16, NIV)}} |
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