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:::Third party coverage and press is given in the article. I suggest actually reading the article before commenting on the talk page. I guess it's true that atheists have a hard time finding evidence because they don't want to see it or look for it. "Maybe the atheist cannot find God for the same reason a thief cannot find a policeman." - Francis Thomson.  see: [[Atheism Quotes]]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 10:02, 4 January 2012 (EST)

:::Third party coverage and press is given in the article. I suggest actually reading the article before commenting on the talk page. I guess it's true that atheists have a hard time finding evidence because they don't want to see it or look for it. "Maybe the atheist cannot find God for the same reason a thief cannot find a policeman." - Francis Thomson.  see: [[Atheism Quotes]]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 10:02, 4 January 2012 (EST)

::::That was uncalled for; please do not accuse me of being an atheist. I want this article to be strong and while it's true that I missed a short few lines in the middle of the article, I was looking in the references which by and large fit the pattern I mentioned above (38 of 44 are to either ShockofGod's YouTube channel or to one of the campaign's creators; the other 6 do not mention the campaign at all). Those pages are all dated before September 1; is the media simply ignoring us? Surely a local paper or similar has run an article. [[User:RandRover|RandRover]] 16:53, 4 January 2012 (EST)

::::That was uncalled for; please do not accuse me of being an atheist. I want this article to be strong and while it's true that I missed a short few lines in the middle of the article, I was looking in the references which by and large fit the pattern I mentioned above (38 of 44 are to either ShockofGod's YouTube channel or to one of the campaign's creators; the other 6 do not mention the campaign at all). Those pages are all dated before September 1; is the media simply ignoring us? Surely a local paper or similar has run an article. [[User:RandRover|RandRover]] 16:53, 4 January 2012 (EST)

:::::::Rand, If it is important for you to know if there has been media coverage, then ask your locale librarian to help you search on newspapers. Since the only thing that is necessary for the campaign to be effective is for students to ask their teachers the 15 questions in class and for people to examine the questions with an open mind, I don't see why media coverage is paramount though at this early stage. For example, the Question evolution blog (network) has only been around a month, as can be seen [http://questionevolution.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2011-11-23T22:11:00-08:00&max-results=7 HERE].  The Traditional Values Coalition seemed to jump in right around the beginning of school in late August based on their website and the WND story which cited their website.[http://www.wnd.com/2011/08/337937/]  That is only 3 months ago. Maybe it is just me, but Christians tend to be more patient and tenacious and don't expect instant results nor do they expect mainstream media validation. Plus, there are so many ways now to get the word out without the use of mainstream media. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if social movements go through stages and some preparation, recruiting and organizing is involved before deciding to seek attention from press outlets in a significant way. I know that impatient people like the fire, aim, ready approach, but I personally think the ready, aim, fire approach has more wisdom. :) However, I can see how a person who comments on a talk page before carefully reading an article would feel differently. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 18:12, 4 January 2012 (EST)

:::::::Rand, If it is important for you to know if there has been media coverage, then ask your locale librarian to help you do a search on newspapers coverage. Since the only thing that is necessary for the campaign to be effective is for students to ask their teachers the 15 questions in class and for people to examine the questions with an open mind, I don't see why media coverage is paramount though at this early stage. For example, the Question evolution blog (network) has only been around a month, as can be seen [http://questionevolution.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2011-11-23T22:11:00-08:00&max-results=7 HERE].  The Traditional Values Coalition seemed to jump in right around the beginning of school in late August based on their website and the WND story which cited their website.[http://www.wnd.com/2011/08/337937/]  That is only 3 months ago. Maybe it is just me, but Christians tend to be more patient and tenacious and don't expect instant results nor do they expect mainstream media validation. Plus, there are so many ways now to get the word out without the use of mainstream media. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if social movements go through stages and some preparation, recruiting and organizing is involved before deciding to seek attention from press outlets in a significant way. Plus, although some social movements probably start out with a book/movie/video, I am guessing the converse also happens and social movements develop material as they go along. I would think that books/movies/videos tend to attract more media attention. I know that impatient people like the fire, aim, ready approach, but I personally think the ready, aim, fire approach has more wisdom. :) However, I can see how a person who comments on a talk page before carefully reading an article would feel differently. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 18:12, 4 January 2012 (EST)

::::::::There's no reason for the snark. Please refrain. [[User:RandRover|RandRover]] 18:35, 4 January 2012 (EST)

::::::::There's no reason for the snark. Please refrain. [[User:RandRover|RandRover]] 18:35, 4 January 2012 (EST)