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:::2. Is there evidence that a civilization can maintain concepts of justice and morality in the long term in the absence of religion?
 
:::2. Is there evidence that a civilization can maintain concepts of justice and morality in the long term in the absence of religion?
 
:::To the best of my knowledge, no such evidence exists.  Moreover, in the absence of God, I would want to know ''why'' those moral codes seem to be relatively universal.  I think that you have to really strain credulity to claim that they're all due to biological imperatives. --[[User:Benp|Benp]] 21:12, 19 February 2009 (EST)
 
:::To the best of my knowledge, no such evidence exists.  Moreover, in the absence of God, I would want to know ''why'' those moral codes seem to be relatively universal.  I think that you have to really strain credulity to claim that they're all due to biological imperatives. --[[User:Benp|Benp]] 21:12, 19 February 2009 (EST)
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:::Hmm, lets see.. sweden, largest percentage of freethinkers. Lowest crime rate. Least murder percentage (just # of murders is retarded, that chunk of concrete out in the pacific claiming to be a 1-person country has the least murders... with only one person). Rated one of the best places to live. Gosh, I wonder if that has anything t do with morality?
    
There was a billboard in NYC subway station from an atheist group:<br>
 
There was a billboard in NYC subway station from an atheist group:<br>
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