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Line 330: − − == Kise Malkutho == − "Is "his throne" OK for kise malkhuto?" − I apologize for saying so, but I think it's still a miss. It disregards "malkut"; it would say "kiso" if it were meant to be translated as strictly "his throne". I still think it would be better to maintain it as "his royal throne" or "the throne of his kingdom". − HALOT notes some of the instances of all construct chains where kise is the head noun and any word with the root Mem-Lamedh-Kaf is the tail. (I believe listing all the instances would be a bit exhausting, but...) − Every time the construct chain "kise" + "(root Mem-Lamedh-Kaf)" is used, it is translated (in most well-known translations) either "the/his royal throne" or "throne of the/his kingdom". ("the/his" depending on whether you have a third person masculine singular suffix). Thus I think the "royal" aspect of the word "malkut" should not be abandoned for an air of implied regality in the simple phrasing "his throne." − [[User:Cbauserman|Cbauserman]] 00:52, 12 May 2012 (EDT) − :I apologize for not asking permission before joining this project. I am a BA Biblical Languages & Christianity major from an accredited Baptist university; thus, I think I have the necessary qualifications to work on this project. If that is not enough, I am currently proceeding into my Masters work on Biblical Languages...[[User:Cbauserman|Cbauserman]] 02:20, 12 May 2012 (EDT)
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What is the planned translation of the tetragrammaton? In English translations it's often been rendered as 'Lord', sometimes with all-caps, based on the Jewish custom of the pronunciation "Adonai", used to avoid saying the name; others use YHWH/YHVH/JHWH based on the unvowelled consonants; others go with "Jehovah" based on a Latin form, fairly discredited now, I understand. Still others try and capture the "to be" root of it, opting for "the one who is" or "the eternal". Thoughts? I personally prefer one of the latter forms, though I think there is room for innovation here! [[User:DeniseM|DeniseM]] 17:46, 26 December 2008 (EST)
What is the planned translation of the tetragrammaton? In English translations it's often been rendered as 'Lord', sometimes with all-caps, based on the Jewish custom of the pronunciation "Adonai", used to avoid saying the name; others use YHWH/YHVH/JHWH based on the unvowelled consonants; others go with "Jehovah" based on a Latin form, fairly discredited now, I understand. Still others try and capture the "to be" root of it, opting for "the one who is" or "the eternal". Thoughts? I personally prefer one of the latter forms, though I think there is room for innovation here! [[User:DeniseM|DeniseM]] 17:46, 26 December 2008 (EST)
:Keep using it. Please do not alter the holy name of God, which He Himself gave to Moses; He revealed Himself as "El Shaddai" first - "God Almighty". Then He revealed Himself as He truly was, is, and will be: "Ehyeh asher ehyeh" - "I am that I am." Thus it was rendered YHWH, off of an older, ancient verb form of "hayah." Eve, in Hebrew, is "chavvah" because she was the "mother of all living things". "Chayah" means "to live", but the verb form was originally "chavah". Thus it can be inferred that the original verb form of "hayah" was "havah." Thus YHWH is an imperfect form of the ancient verb form "havah". (It could even be possible that it was said in a Piel form. "Y'havveh.")
:Keep using it. Please do not alter the holy name of God, which He Himself gave to Moses; He revealed Himself as "El Shaddai" first - "God Almighty". Then He revealed Himself as He truly was, is, and will be: "Ehyeh asher ehyeh" - "I am that I am." Thus it was rendered YHWH, off of an older, ancient verb form of "hayah." Eve, in Hebrew, is "chavvah" because she was the "mother of all living things". "Chayah" means "to live", but the verb form was originally "chavah". Thus it can be inferred that the original verb form of "hayah" was "havah." Thus YHWH is an imperfect form of the ancient verb form "havah". (It could even be possible that it was said in a Piel form. "Y'havveh.") Like I said, keep it. It's not gonna do us any good if people don't know the true name of God. Plus, the true name of God needs no innovation. It is timeless, remaining through all time periods, four simple letters that encompass the past, present, and future, one of the greatest mysteries of the Scripture.[[User:Cbauserman|Cbauserman]] 03:29, 12 May 2012 (EDT)
Like I said, keep it. It's not gonna do us any good if people don't know the true name of God.
Plus, the true name of God needs no innovation. It is timeless, remaining through all time periods, four simple letters that encompass the past, present, and future, one of the greatest mysteries of the Scripture.
[[User:Cbauserman|Cbauserman]] 03:29, 12 May 2012 (EDT)
==Grace==
==Grace==
::: Personally, I have no objection to either - but if we're going to have a retranslation as Aschlafly originally proposed I think it's intellectually sterile to re-translate a translation, taking all but one or two assumptions of the translators for granted. If we wanted to do that, I think that he would have suggested a commentary or gloss. [[User:DeniseM|DeniseM]] 10:55, 29 December 2008 (EST)
::: Personally, I have no objection to either - but if we're going to have a retranslation as Aschlafly originally proposed I think it's intellectually sterile to re-translate a translation, taking all but one or two assumptions of the translators for granted. If we wanted to do that, I think that he would have suggested a commentary or gloss. [[User:DeniseM|DeniseM]] 10:55, 29 December 2008 (EST)
::::You know, after progressing a bit into Esther, I've actually found that it's a bit harder than it seems. This is the most devastating and deepest underlying problem of translating the book of Esther: it is going to require much knowledge of Persian custom and sometimes even Persian loanwords, as is the case with the stones early on in 1:6 (the names of the stones might be Persian loanwords, not necessarily Hebrew words by nature). Thus, I think Esther is not a good book to be translating because of all the back-knowledge that is required to construct the whole story. If you want to keep going, go on; I just think there are some easier books out there. Like Jonah, or Ruth. Despite the fact that Jonah is a prophetic book, it is (1) shorter than Esther and (2) easier to translate directly from the Hebrew. (Plus (3) it has a bunch of imagery that is really cool if you get into it.) Also, the book of Ruth is easier because, (1) again, it is shorter and (2) the backstory of Ruth requires knowledge of Hebrew custom, which we have much more of than Persian custom. Thus, my defense of the translation of Jonah or Ruth as a small Old Testament book. Even one of the other small prophets from the Book of the Twelve could be easier to translate than Esther. (Except Hosea. Hosea is a COMPLETELY different can of worms.)[[User:Cbauserman|Cbauserman]] 23:16, 12 May 2012 (EDT)
== "Rich" Issue ==
== "Rich" Issue ==
Thoughts? I realise that it adds a potential layer of complexity, and detracts from the flow of the text, but I feel it's a nice compromise between ease of understanding and scriptural subtlety - it's a good way of drawing attention to what Paul calls 'the most special way'. [[User:AungSein|AungSein]] 08:58, 22 November 2009 (EST)
Thoughts? I realise that it adds a potential layer of complexity, and detracts from the flow of the text, but I feel it's a nice compromise between ease of understanding and scriptural subtlety - it's a good way of drawing attention to what Paul calls 'the most special way'. [[User:AungSein|AungSein]] 08:58, 22 November 2009 (EST)