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"logic alone" is not a very good answer. sorry. [[User:Flippin|Flippin]] 18:07, 10 April 2007 (EDT)
"logic alone" is not a very good answer. sorry. [[User:Flippin|Flippin]] 18:07, 10 April 2007 (EDT)
"logic alone" suggests that the sun goes round the earth - because after all it looks as if we're standing still and the sun goes round us, doesn't it? But evidence suggests otherwise. At least, the kind of evidence that would stand up in court does. [[User: Britinme|Britinme]] 18:12 10 April 2007 (EDT)
"logic alone" suggests that the sun goes round the earth - because after all it looks as if we're standing still and the sun goes round us, doesn't it? But evidence suggests otherwise. At least, the kind of evidence that would stand up in court does. [[User: Britinme|Britinme]] 18:12 10 April 2007 (EDT)
Looking here [http://jech.bmj.com/cgi/content/abstract/50/5/481]: "''Although the increase in risk was relatively low,'' (emphasis added) the high incidence of both breast cancer and induced abortion suggest a substantial impact of thousands of excess cases per year currently, and a potentially much greater impact in the next century, as the first cohort of women exposed to legal induced abortion continues to age." That's in the abstract. I don't have access to the article. I'm a little suspicous, however. Most studies would give some sort of correlation, and not an "odds ratio", whatever that means. [[User:Sterile|Sterile]] 18:25, 10 April 2007 (EDT) Whoops--that is the article... Hmmm...[[User:Sterile|Sterile]] 18:29, 10 April 2007 (EDT) OF course, there's this: [http://ebn.bmj.com/cgi/content/extract/1/1/21][[User:Sterile|Sterile]] 18:30, 10 April 2007 (EDT)
Looking here [http://jech.bmj.com/cgi/content/abstract/50/5/481]: "''Although the increase in risk was relatively low,'' (emphasis added) the high incidence of both breast cancer and induced abortion suggest a substantial impact of thousands of excess cases per year currently, and a potentially much greater impact in the next century, as the first cohort of women exposed to legal induced abortion continues to age." That's in the abstract. I don't have access to the article. I'm a little suspicous, however. Most studies would give some sort of correlation, and not an "odds ratio", whatever that means. [[User:Sterile|Sterile]] 18:25, 10 April 2007 (EDT) Whoops--that is the article... Hmmm...[[User:Sterile|Sterile]] 18:29, 10 April 2007 (EDT) OF course, there's this: [http://ebn.bmj.com/cgi/content/extract/1/1/21][[User:Sterile|Sterile]] 18:30, 10 April 2007 (EDT)
Abortion became legal in the UK in 1967 - I'm not sure when in the US (1972?) so women old enough to have abortions then would now be around sixty or older - a time when age-related factors increase the rate anyway. However, it's not as simple as that. For example, among other things the rate of obesity is now much higher than it was forty years ago, and that is an influencing factor.[[User: Britinme|Britinme]] 18:36 10 April 2007 (EDT)
== Breast cancer occurs 100 times more frequently in women than in men... but... ==
== Breast cancer occurs 100 times more frequently in women than in men... but... ==
No time to work on this myself right now, but... I know a man who was recently diagnosed with breast cancer, and he tells me that when it ''does'' occur in men it is apt to be very dangerous. He's getting regular radiation therapy now, and things seem to be going OK, but it's a very serious business. And men often miss or ignore the symptoms because they don't know it can occur in men. He says he's on a mission to convince ''men'' to perform regular breast self-examination. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 18:18, 10 April 2007 (EDT)
No time to work on this myself right now, but... I know a man who was recently diagnosed with breast cancer, and he tells me that when it ''does'' occur in men it is apt to be very dangerous. He's getting regular radiation therapy now, and things seem to be going OK, but it's a very serious business. And men often miss or ignore the symptoms because they don't know it can occur in men. He says he's on a mission to convince ''men'' to perform regular breast self-examination. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 18:18, 10 April 2007 (EDT)