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Talk:Second Law of Thermodynamics (view source)
Revision as of 06:35, June 13, 2012
, 06:35, June 13, 2012→My answers to Randall7
:::I suppose that is true, but you did not refute anything I just said. --[[User:Randall7|Randall7]] 00:11, 13 June 2012 (EDT)
:::I suppose that is true, but you did not refute anything I just said. --[[User:Randall7|Randall7]] 00:11, 13 June 2012 (EDT)
::::If you can sit there and "suppose it is true", then I did refute everything you just said. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 02:00, 13 June 2012 (EDT)
::::If you can sit there and "suppose it is true", then I did refute everything you just said. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 02:00, 13 June 2012 (EDT)
:::::You seem to focus very much on the "withering away" part of the cycle. What about the observations of growing crystals, growing plants, growing children? Those processes do go from simple to complex - whether the complex states can exist forever (they can't) is not relevant, what's important is that these processes occur naturally. And they're not in contradiction to the second law either; e.g. in the case of crystal growth the evaporating water occupies a larger volume afterwards and hence has increased entropy. --[[User:FrederickT3|FrederickT3]] 02:35, 13 June 2012 (EDT)
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:::::: That's a question about semantics - the answer depends entirely on how one decides to define "entropy".--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 01:01, 13 June 2012 (EDT)
:::::: That's a question about semantics - the answer depends entirely on how one decides to define "entropy".--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 01:01, 13 June 2012 (EDT)
:::::::Entropy has a very clear definition which you can look up in any textbook on thermodynamics. According to that definition, the entropy changes (increases) when water/ice melts. And of course a clear definition is prerequisite to being able to formulate and understand the second law properly in the first place. --[[User:FrederickT3|FrederickT3]] 02:35, 13 June 2012 (EDT)