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:::::You seem to focus very much on the "withering away" part of the cycle. What about the observations of growing crystals, growing plants, growing children? Those processes do go from simple to complex - whether the complex states can exist forever (they can't) is not relevant, what's important is that these processes occur naturally. And they're not in contradiction to the second law either; e.g. in the case of crystal growth the evaporating water occupies a larger volume afterwards and hence has increased entropy. --[[User:FrederickT3|FrederickT3]] 02:35, 13 June 2012 (EDT)

:::::You seem to focus very much on the "withering away" part of the cycle. What about the observations of growing crystals, growing plants, growing children? Those processes do go from simple to complex - whether the complex states can exist forever (they can't) is not relevant, what's important is that these processes occur naturally. And they're not in contradiction to the second law either; e.g. in the case of crystal growth the evaporating water occupies a larger volume afterwards and hence has increased entropy. --[[User:FrederickT3|FrederickT3]] 02:35, 13 June 2012 (EDT)

::::::Frederick, "growing" crystals do not constitute life.  Grown humans and plants are still the same species; I don't see children take on a totally different form when growing up into completely-normal adult human beings, and I don't see an acorn grow into anything other than an oak.  You don't have a valid argument.  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 22:50, 13 June 2012 (EDT)

::::::Frederick, "growing" crystals do not constitute life.  Grown humans and plants are still the same species; I don't see children take on a totally different form when growing up into completely-normal adult human beings, and I don't see an acorn grow into anything other than an oak.  You don't have a valid argument.  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 22:50, 13 June 2012 (EDT)

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