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Debate: U.S. Supreme Court ruling on ObamaCare: a proper ruling? (view source)
Revision as of 12:08, June 29, 2012
, 12:08, June 29, 2012→No: penalties are Constitutional
::No capitation, or other direct, tax shall be laid, unless in proportion to the census or enumeration herein before directed to be taken. 1.9.4. Also this isn't even a tax question, the tax code has not been changed at all. There was no raise in taxes and there was no deduction added for people who have healthcare, this is clearly nothing more than a penalty. Back when this was going through congress Obama laughed at the notion that it was a tax hike and said critics only said that to make it look like a commercial regulation was a tax, but now that its constitutionality has been questioned its a tax!?
::No capitation, or other direct, tax shall be laid, unless in proportion to the census or enumeration herein before directed to be taken. 1.9.4. Also this isn't even a tax question, the tax code has not been changed at all. There was no raise in taxes and there was no deduction added for people who have healthcare, this is clearly nothing more than a penalty. Back when this was going through congress Obama laughed at the notion that it was a tax hike and said critics only said that to make it look like a commercial regulation was a tax, but now that its constitutionality has been questioned its a tax!?
:::And yet, the whole time President Obama said it wasn't a tax, conservatives derided him and (rightly) pointed out that it was. Now that their own definition is being used to call it constitutional, conservatives are trying to take it back. It was dishonest of the president, but we all knew that for political expediency's sake he would never use the word tax. But that's precisely what it is, which makes it perfectly constitutional. [[User:Jpope14|Jpope14]] 00:04, 29 June 2012 (EDT)
:::And yet, the whole time President Obama said it wasn't a tax, conservatives derided him and (rightly) pointed out that it was. Now that their own definition is being used to call it constitutional, conservatives are trying to take it back. It was dishonest of the president, but we all knew that for political expediency's sake he would never use the word tax. But that's precisely what it is, which makes it perfectly constitutional. [[User:Jpope14|Jpope14]] 00:04, 29 June 2012 (EDT)
::::There is no separate power in the Constitution for imposing penalties. It is covered by what we call the taxing clause or perhaps the necessary and proper clause. There are many fines and penalties in federal law. Please stop and think carefully before you argue that they are all Unconstituional and that American should move to a "jail time for every violation" approach. [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 08:08, 29 June 2012 (EDT)
== Brace yourself for the backlash Democrats: It's coming! ==
== Brace yourself for the backlash Democrats: It's coming! ==