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| | ::Nope. Still has absolutely no relevance to the performance of individual athletes at the Games. In fact, on rereading your reasons, you seem to be stuck on the thought that countries that allow same-sex marriage would only send gay athletes to the Games. That is bizarre. | | ::Nope. Still has absolutely no relevance to the performance of individual athletes at the Games. In fact, on rereading your reasons, you seem to be stuck on the thought that countries that allow same-sex marriage would only send gay athletes to the Games. That is bizarre. |
| | ::Just how many people of the same gender do you think are going to be married? To say it'll affect a country's population growth is double bizarre. Japan's population growth is going backwards and they don't have same-sex marriage. [[User:MaartenG|MaartenG]] 15:49, 2 July 2012 (EDT) | | ::Just how many people of the same gender do you think are going to be married? To say it'll affect a country's population growth is double bizarre. Japan's population growth is going backwards and they don't have same-sex marriage. [[User:MaartenG|MaartenG]] 15:49, 2 July 2012 (EDT) |
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| | + | == Math'd -- Gay marriage == |
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| | + | A subject about quantifying something?? I accept your challenge. |
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| | + | For the following, I am trying to determine the effect of pro-gay legislation on Olympic Medals. Since different countries have hugely different factors, I thought we could use the states of the USA to observe any effects (being labs of democracy, and all). What I did was find a list of all 2008 Olympic Medalists. Then, I got rid of any groups, leaving only individual medalists. Then, I mapped these medalists to their home state. Then, I figured out, based on population, how many medals each state should win out of the total USA medals. Then, I matched states with their same-sex marriage legislation (I assumed if same-sex couples could marry or engage in civil unions, this was a "Pro-Gay" state. No marriage or civil unions, an "Anti-Gay" state.) Then I summed up expected and actuals by these two categories. Here's what I got.... |
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| | + | {| class="wikitable" |
| | + | |- |
| | + | ! State Type |
| | + | ! Expected Medals |
| | + | ! Actual Medals |
| | + | ! Over/Under |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | Pro-Gay |
| | + | | 29.8 |
| | + | | 45 |
| | + | | 15.2 |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | Anti-Gay |
| | + | | 42.2 |
| | + | | 27 |
| | + | | -15.2 |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | Total |
| | + | | 72.0 |
| | + | | 27 |
| | + | | 0 |
| | + | |} |
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| | + | If we look just at Gold Medals... |
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| | + | {| class="wikitable" |
| | + | |- |
| | + | ! State Type |
| | + | ! Expected Golds |
| | + | ! Actual Golds |
| | + | ! Over/Under |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | Pro-Gay |
| | + | | 8.3 |
| | + | | 14 |
| | + | | 5.7 |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | Anti-Gay |
| | + | | 11.7 |
| | + | | 6 |
| | + | | -5.7 |
| | + | |- |
| | + | | Total |
| | + | | 20.0 |
| | + | | 20 |
| | + | | 0 |
| | + | |} |
| | + | (Please note that if a medalist is from another country, they were excluded. Same with two obscure athletes I couldn't find information on) |
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| | + | As you can see, "Pro-Gay" states outperform their expected total medal results by over 50%. Conversely, "Anti-Gay" states underperform by 36%. |
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| | + | The picture is more extreme only looking at Gold medals - "Pro-Gay" outperformes %69%, while "Anti-Gay' under perform by almost half. |
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| | + | In conclusion, do I think "imposing" gay marriage has anything to do with Olympic results? Probably not, since states, along any group of people in the Olympics, have a huge number of factors affecting their outcomes. But, to say that gay marriage destroys Olypmic results...well, that just goes against the data. |
| | + | [[User:EricAlstrom|EricAlstrom]] 15:49, 2 July 2012 (EDT) |