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/* Discussion about order/disorder */ I repeatedly addressed the arguments, yet I don't recall any response anyone explaining '''''why''''' a [[perpetual motion machine]] is impossible. The reason is
:::Why do you ignore half of what I'm trying to say? I do agree with almost everything you just wrote (although even phase changes are thermodynamically irreversible because they require heat transfer or some other irreversible factor). But that doesn't change the fact that individual objects/materials/subsystems can have decreases in entropy (increases in "order") even though overall net entropy increases. That is why you can't use the argument "everything becomes more disordered" as an argument against evolution. --[[User:Randall7|Randall7]] 20:37, 15 June 2012 (EDT)
::::I repeatedly addressed the arguments, yet I don't recall any response anyone explaining '''''why''''' a [[perpetual motion machine]] is impossible. The reason is this: disorder is always increasing, except when there is intelligent intervention. This is the essence of the Second Law, and explains the many formulations, such as heat always flowing spontaneously to colder locations.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 00:23, 12 July 2012 (EDT)
===This discussion has been dormant for a while. If no refutation of evolution is presented in the next few days based on a proper application of the Second Law of Thermodynamics, I will remove the part of the article in question.===
