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Debate:Grave errors/inconsistencies in the Bible make literal translation worthless. (view source)
Revision as of 22:01, July 20, 2012
, 22:01, July 20, 2012→Two accounts of creation - the Bible contradicts itself in the first chapters of the first book
Hold on, now. Don’t assume anything. You don’t know what I believe on the subject because I haven’t stated anything yet. I simply asked about what you believe. I actually do hold to the doctrine of the Trinity, as it is the Biblical truth. I was simply trying to follow up on what you said about different Christ and God being different entities. If they are, then Christ couldn’t be the one God. Because by definition two entities are two entirely separate beings, so God and Christ wouldn’t be the same. That’s why the Trinity is referred to as one God, three persons, not three separate beings. But it sounds like you hold to the doctrine as well, so we agree on that. Perhaps it’s just a communication error. I wanted to make sure you weren’t rejecting the divinity of Christ. [[User:Ultimahero|Ultimahero]] 13:30, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
Hold on, now. Don’t assume anything. You don’t know what I believe on the subject because I haven’t stated anything yet. I simply asked about what you believe. I actually do hold to the doctrine of the Trinity, as it is the Biblical truth. I was simply trying to follow up on what you said about different Christ and God being different entities. If they are, then Christ couldn’t be the one God. Because by definition two entities are two entirely separate beings, so God and Christ wouldn’t be the same. That’s why the Trinity is referred to as one God, three persons, not three separate beings. But it sounds like you hold to the doctrine as well, so we agree on that. Perhaps it’s just a communication error. I wanted to make sure you weren’t rejecting the divinity of Christ. [[User:Ultimahero|Ultimahero]] 13:30, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
===Toledoth Accounts===
There's a good explanation here of the "Wiseman Hypothesis" or "Tablet theory", which basically says that the book of Genesis is made up of numerous Mesopotamian family tablets, similar to those found by archaeologists throughout Mesopotamia, and that they were combined by Moses into a single account. Each tablet would have a genealogical table and a narrative about the family's history:
http://www.biblearchaeology.org/post/2010/10/11/the-tablet-theory-of-genesis-authorship.aspx#Article
Basically, the book of Genesis is divided into separate accounts all throughout using the Hebrew word "towl@dah" or toledoth, which roughly translates to "generation":
http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/hebrew/KJV/towledah.html
The word is used in the following places to indicate different generations:
-Genesis 2:4 - Generations of the heavens and the earth
-Genesis 5:1 - Generations of Adam
-Genesis 6:9 - Generations of Noah
-Genesis 10:1 - Generations of sons of Noah; Shem, Ham, and Japheth
-Genesis 10:39 - Generations of families of sons of Noah
-Genesis 11:10 - Generations of Shem
-Genesis 11:27 - Generations of Terah
-Generations 25:12 - Generations of Ishmael
-Generations 25:13 - Generations of sons of Ishmael
-Genesis 25:19 - Generations of Isaac
-Genesis 36:1 (repeated Genesis 36:9) - Generations of Esau
-Genesis 37:2 - Generations of Jacob
Genesis 1:1-2:3 was something different. There were no heavens or earth for descendants to come from, so this section might properly be said to be a history of God's creation. Genesis 2:4-4:26 on the other hand would be a generation of the heavens and earth specifically, and how once created their history and descendants continued.
It's a pattern for the whole book of Genesis to give two sides, a genealogy, and a narrative of major events relating to people in the genealogy. For example, Genesis 5 tells of Noah's genealogy, but then goes into detail about his life in chapter 6-9. Genesis 10 tells of Noah's son's genealogies, Genesis 11:1-9 tells detail about events. Genesis 11:10-32 tells of Abraham's genealogy, while chapters 12-25:11 give detail about events. Genesis 25:12-18 gives detail about Isaac's genealogy, while 25:19-35:29 gives detail about events.
So in other words, it appears to me the first account in Genesis 1:1-2:3 was a genealogy if you will, a factual account about the creation by God, mentioning descendants. Genesis 2:4 was a specific narrative about the events of early mankind. This is a pattern seen all throughout the book of Genesis, and is consistent with the style used in early Mesopotamian genealogical tablets as recovered by archaeology. --[[User:Jzyehoshua|Jzyehoshua]] 18:01, 20 July 2012 (EDT)
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