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Talk:Westboro Baptist Church (view source)
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Please help me explain how WBC's hatred of homosexuals contrasts with the standard Christian ethic which directs us to love all people (even if they sin) while at the same time condemning the sins those same people commit. You might express it in terms of justice and injustice. Is it the Bible or Shakespeare who said God sends rain and sunshine on both the just and the unjust? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 11:40, 13 November 2008 (EST)
Please help me explain how WBC's hatred of homosexuals contrasts with the standard Christian ethic which directs us to love all people (even if they sin) while at the same time condemning the sins those same people commit. You might express it in terms of justice and injustice. Is it the Bible or Shakespeare who said God sends rain and sunshine on both the just and the unjust? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 11:40, 13 November 2008 (EST)
That's the Bible.
That's the Bible.
The real difference Between WBC's view and Christianity as defined in the Bible is that God hate all sin, not just Homosexuality. They have taken this one issue and made a doctrine out of it. The Bible says that you will go to hell for any sin if you don't repent, not just the "really bad ones" like homosexuality. --[[User:ChrisS|Chris]]
The real difference Between WBC's view and Christianity as defined in the Bible is that God hate all sin, not just Homosexuality. They have taken this one issue and made a doctrine out of it. The Bible says that you will go to hell for any sin if you don't repent, not just the "really bad ones" like homosexuality. --[[User:ChrisS|Chris]]
==Photo==
==Photo==
Why does this page have a photo of Fred Phelps with Al Gore? In all likelihood, the photo was taken during Phelps' earlier career as a civil-rights attorney. It's incredibly unlikely that Gore would willingly align with a group such as this one- after all, doing so would be an act of career-suicide. --[[User:KaseyF|KaseyF]]
Why does this page have a photo of Fred Phelps with Al Gore? In all likelihood, the photo was taken during Phelps' earlier career as a civil-rights attorney. It's incredibly unlikely that Gore would willingly align with a group such as this one- after all, doing so would be an act of career-suicide. --[[User:KaseyF|KaseyF]]
==Irony==
You know what's funny? (and sad) The same fallacious, idiotic, progressive thinking behind abortion is at work allowing Westboro to do what it does. That people should be able to do whatever they feel like and their freedoms allow them to harm others. That sort of progressive "openmindedness" was behind the Supreme Court's decision that Westboro should get to go to funerals and emotionally assault the deceased's loved ones. That they should get to spread their vitriol into the public sphere. It's the same concept as abortion. That people should get to do whatever they want with their bodies (whether their wombs or the bodies holding their protest signs) no matter who else get hurts. This doctrine of "do what feels right no matter who else's rights you abuse" is patently stupid when you look at it frankly. Abortion rights says you should be able to kill whatever children you want. Westboro says you should be able to emotionally abuse whoever you want with words and signs. This kind of openmindedness goes beyond common sense.
True common sense is that your rights are in fact privileges and do NOT include the right to harm others. Your right to throw a punch should stop where another's nose begins. You should not have the right to yell fire in a crowded theatre, to slander others, to yell profanities in public near children. You don't have a right to harm others in the privacy of your own home or your own body. You don't get to use your body to punch or assault people, whether with a fist or your words. If you want to use your body in private that's one thing but when you use it in the public sphere where others are affected, that's gone too far, because your freedoms are now being used to infringe on the freedoms of others. Freedoms in private are not the same as in public, or they shouldn't be. People should be able to figure this out. Common sense. --[[User:Jzyehoshua|Jzyehoshua]] 08:29, 22 July 2012 (EDT)