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:Look, I encounter many atheists who criticize Christianity of certain evils, or more broadly criticize religion. Do you likewise criticize atheists and liberals for attacking Christianity because of Westboro or other examples? Because it's the same thing occurring, just from the other side. Put the shoe on the opposite foot, and I could ask, "How dare you blame the millions of perfectly sane and nice [Christians and conservatives], including me, on the horrible actions of a single lunatic. How dare you assert that we are somehow responsible for their deaths, despite having absolutely no connection to the shooter whatsoever. Have you no sense of honor or dignity? How low are you willing to go?" My point is that the opposite accusations are leveled by atheists and liberals against Christianity non-stop. Why is it you take offense to them being leveled back in return? --[[User:Jzyehoshua|Joshua Zambrano]] 01:19, 26 July 2012 (EDT)
:Look, I encounter many atheists who criticize Christianity of certain evils, or more broadly criticize religion. Do you likewise criticize atheists and liberals for attacking Christianity because of Westboro or other examples? Because it's the same thing occurring, just from the other side. Put the shoe on the opposite foot, and I could ask, "How dare you blame the millions of perfectly sane and nice [Christians and conservatives], including me, on the horrible actions of a single lunatic. How dare you assert that we are somehow responsible for their deaths, despite having absolutely no connection to the shooter whatsoever. Have you no sense of honor or dignity? How low are you willing to go?" My point is that the opposite accusations are leveled by atheists and liberals against Christianity non-stop. Why is it you take offense to them being leveled back in return? --[[User:Jzyehoshua|Joshua Zambrano]] 01:19, 26 July 2012 (EDT)
::The thing is, many of us don't support what people like Christopher Hitchens say. Religion definitely has its upsides as well as its downsides. While there are some fools out there with no sense of who's extremist and who's not, most of us aren't like that. You're just hearing the much louder minority. Much of my family is Baptist, and I get along with them just fine. There are just some self-righteous idiots plaguing the Internet.
::Yes, there have been many oppresive atheistic regimes. Mao Zetong, for example, tried to eradicate it entirely with his terrible "Great Leap Forward". However, there have been many oppresive religious regimes as well. The Catholic Church, for example, hanged anyone that insinuated that God may not exist. They threatened to hang Galileo for daring to assert that Earth is not the center of the universe, as previously thought. My point is, when any belief system gains absolute power, bad things happen, and Christianity is certainly no exception. That's the advantage of a democratic, secular society: No belief system is in absolute power, and thus no one is persecuted.
::"But wait," you're probably thinking. "Christianity IS persecuted!" Not exactly. Quite simply, Christianity has enjoyed a lot of power in our government for the last century or so, to the disadvantage of other religions. Because secular society is taking hold, Christianity is falling to the level of other religions. Because it is losing power, many interpret that as being persecuted. The thing is, most atheists don't about whether you worship God or not. You're perfectly welcome to do so in church or your own home. However, when it is constantly flaunted on us, a problem arises. Worship your God if you wish, but if we must follow laws based upon YOUR religion, not ours, than we have a conflict.
::Heading back to dictators, I can tell you with absolute certainty that NONE OF THEM ARE LIBERAL. A liberal supports some government intervention, but not enough to infringe on our freedoms or our rights. When governments do something bad, liberals are often the first to point it out. Many liberals have even devoted their lives to fighting oppressive regimes. Right now, in our government, it is the liberals that are suggesting we go to Syria and help the rebels overthrow the dictatorship there. However, I hear conservatives going on about how we should invade Iran, when an Iranian nuclear weapon is, at worst case scenario, five years away. It is the liberals that are suggesting that we do something about Saudi Arabia, which has a ridiculously stifling regime, while conservatives are more than happy to accept oil from them without complaint. Does that sound like a party of wannabe dictators? --[[User:Bdor25|Bdor25]] 09:34, 26 July 2012 (EDT)