Talk:Biblical Law Discussions

Interesting... Every reading that I have heard, and the way I have always understood these two sets of verses understands that the "uncleanness" mentioned by Moses is the "fornication" mentioned by Jesus. In fact, here's the latest and greatest translation we have:

Deuteronomy 24:1-4, NASU

24:1 Law of Divorce

"When a man takes a wife and marries her, and it happens that she finds no favor in his eyes because he has found some indecency in her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce and puts it in her hand and sends her out from his house, 2 and she leaves his house and goes and becomes another man's wife, 3 and if the latter husband turns against her and writes her a certificate of divorce and puts it in her hand and sends her out of his house, or if the latter husband dies who took her to be his wife, 4 then her former husband who sent her away is not allowed to take her again to be his wife, since she has been defiled; for that is an abomination before the LORD, and you shall not bring sin on the land which the LORD your God gives you as an inheritance.

NASU

In light of what Jesus says in Matthew, we understand that the second man in the Deuteronomy scenario actually commits adultery, so the wife is by association unclean; more than this, if the second man, too, finds cause to divorce his wife - only by infidelity on part of the wife, then the wife is unclean again - the wife would have to be called unclean, because both men found her out.

Any ideas? Jdmeans 00:53, 7 April 2007 (EDT)

What recourse did the woman so situated have? Both husbands found "some indecency" in her, but we're not told what that actually means, was there anyways to restore her name and reputation?

I think, though, the point of the article is missed, as it seems to infer that Jesus thought the Bible of His day was flawed (in, at least) this one area. This could be bad for people of a fundamental outlook on the Bible, that is the "all or nothing" crowd. Cracker_talk 01:41, 7 April 2007 (EDT)

Not at all. The problem with cases like this is that you lose the whole picture of what the Bible says, or in this case, what the Torah says. It's very clear elsewhere that this, "some indencency", is infidelity. It's the same language employed earlier and later in deuteronomy, with the same implications as the picture of salvation in Ezekiel, as well as the same implications as "doing evil" in the sight of the Lord in Judges. The Article simply asks for opinions. My opinion is that it's generally a bad idea to take snipits of the Bible, (Old or New Testament) when there's clearly an order to the thing. First, we establish -why- we need a messiah, then we get Jesus. It's like comparing directions for a cake: where in one instance, we have an instruction to say, "Bake the cake at 400*F," and at another instance, "Let cake cool." They're different stages of the very same process. And, if you look at earlier parts of Deuteronomy, ((Please, not in the KJV. KJV is a TERRIBLE translation for the modern era)) and even relook at this passage, you'll see what the point and thrust is. And no, the wife does not have any recourse. If she is found 'indecent', or to be an 'adulteress', there must be witnesses. This kind of 'putting out' can't just be an arbitrary thing. See Dueteronomy 17 at, i think, verse 6 and 7.. it's around there. Jdmeans 11:54, 7 April 2007 (EDT)

Divorce

I think we need to look at the original verses mentioned Deut 24:1-4 and Mat 19:3-9. In Deut Moses was the one who gave the right to divorce. This was not from God.

In Mat Jesus gives us God word "...what God has joined together, let no one separate.". Jesus also tells us that it was Moses' doing to give right to divorce because the people were "hard hearted".

Due to our sinful natures we needed the divorce, but this is not what God intended, nor what he wants from his faithful. I think Paul also has something about divorce but I will need to get that and enter later, unless someone else has that information.

Looking at this as Moses said, God said, there is no contradiction in the Bible, God's word. Sekane 11:10, 6 May 2007 (EDT)