Talk:Constitutional carry

Attribution

If the article is going to say "According to the FBI, ..." then get a citation to the FBI report. (I suspect that it is an ATF or DOJ report, instead). If the article is going to rely upon Hawkins citing an unnamed FBI report, then change the text to the SamHB version and hope that Hawkins has not bent his sources again. JDano (talk) 23:35, 14 July 2017 (EDT)

SamHB's comment

(My comment was actually first when I started it. I think what JDano wants is what I am about to do. The homework is done. I just need a few minutes free of edit conflicts.)

First, I'm surprised that this talk page didn't exist. I would have thought that, with all the fighting, reversions, and threats, someone would have taken the trouble to discuss the issues here.

Second, believe it or not, I do not have a "dog in this fight". This stuff is not really important to me. I live in Massachusetts, a state that has a reasonably low rate of mass murders, does not have groups of people going into a fast-food restaurant brandishing assault weapons to make some point, does not have large gang wars with multiple fatalities in restaurants, and so on.

Now I've had my home state described as "unfree" (see my talk page, about 2/3 of the way down, where Cons and I engage in some of our light-hearted banter), and I've had my home state described, by TAR, as "treasonous". I think my attempts to revert that were reverted, and I had to wait until TAR was shown the door.

I know very little about the subject, such as just how it relates to "open carry" and "concealed carry". I'd like to learn more, so that I can improve the introductory section, giving an explanation of this. But not just now.

I only became aware of this issue, and jumped in, when the yelling, screaming, bullying, and threats got so loud that they interrupted the work I'm trying to do for the Bill Nye / Ken Ham debate.

Now, getting to the point, a columnist is a columnist and a journalist is a journalist, whether they work for Breitbart, CNN, Huffpost, the Weekly Standard, or the Daily Worker. (Does that still exist?) Decent respect for the traditions of Conservapedia, to say nothing of the Commandments ("true and verifiable", etc.) suggests that we should know the difference and label the difference. Awr Hawkins is a columnist for Breitbart, just as Jane Fonda is a columnist for Huffpost.

The previous version of the page stated as a fact that "handgun murders decreased in the states that enacted Constitutional Carry laws". That is, all such states. The referenced article said no such thing. I'm glad that the recent change to my change didn't go back to that statement. But we can do better. The Awr Hawkins column cited a source. Now the source was from the NRA, which definitely has a dog in the fight. But the NRA article cited the actual FBI data, from the FBI's "uniform crime reporting" files. So I'm going to change it to go straight to the source. No need to fight over whether Awr Hawkins was being straightforward.

Now, about the charge that "I do not even see left-wing articles marked as opinion", I don't see things in the references section of this article that are "left-wing". Of the 10 references, number 3 is a dead link. Numbers 4 through 10 refer to actual court documents and articles about actual government actions, which is the right way to do it. Someone did their homework. (It seems to have been TAR!)

If the complaint was about "left-wing articles" on other pages, it's true that I haven't checked CP's other 44,000 pages. I don't think I would cite a Jane Fonda column in Huffpost as fact. We all need to be a little more careful about the Conservapedia Commandments.

SamHB (talk) 00:03, 15 July 2017 (EDT)

External links

TAR added a cite to the Feb 12, 2015 blog post by one of his Idaho friends. The post promotes a rally and discusses future lobby efforts on a bill, which was limited to just hand-guns and not all deadly weapons. Since the bill was signed into law in 2016, what is the lasting reference value of this blog post to Conservapedia's readers? We should ditch this as another example of TAR's link spam. Why is someone continuing to add it back in, after I found a better source at concealledcarry.com? JDano (talk) 00:26, 15 July 2017 (EDT)