Talk:Debate:Is Rap music torture?

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Then you'd probably find Sozhenitsyn's chapter on torture in the Gulag Archipelago a real laff riot. --PF Fox 20:32, 23 April 2007 (EDT)

Depends on the listener. One man's meat is another man's poison, etc...--Fingermouse 20:33, 23 April 2007 (EDT)

It's not about rap. It's about sleep deprivation. --PF Fox 20:38, 23 April 2007 (EDT)
Use any loud music to keep someone awake for over a certain amount of time and yes, it can be torture. I listen to foriegn music too -- but not turned up at top volume while I'm forced to stand hours, wondering if I'm going to be beaten, or if the screams I'm hearing in the next room over the music are my sister or daughter being abused. --PF Fox 20:46, 23 April 2007 (EDT)
No, that's not really what it says. It cites the use of some Rap music as an example of a method of sleep deprivation. That's not the same as saying rap itself is a torture. --PF Fox 20:56, 23 April 2007 (EDT)
Says nothing about being loud, or being deprived of sleep, or having to stand. All it says is it's Eminem. I agree, we should not impugn artists like Snoop Dog or Tu Pak by making the unsourced assertion that Rap music is torture; but do unlawful combatants have the protection of the Geneva Convention from being subjected to Eminem? And why are unnamed whistleblowers so concerned about the image of the CIA, as well as ABC News, that they feel the need to alert an unsuspecting public. Curiously, Not In Our Name is silent on these horrors. RobS 21:00, 23 April 2007 (EDT)
It most certainly does say something about sleep deprivation: "They would not let you rest, day or night. Stand up, sit down, stand up, sit down. Don't sleep. Don't lie on the floor," one prisoner said through a translator. The detainees were also forced to listen to rap artist Eminem's "Slim Shady" album. The music was so foreign to them it made them frantic, sources said." --PF Fox 21:05, 23 April 2007 (EDT)
Hmmmm, interesting; "one prisoner said through a translator". What is the source of this information? RobS 21:07, 23 April 2007 (EDT)
Your own cite. --PF Fox 21:08, 23 April 2007 (EDT)
The question is to ABC News, What is the source of this information? RobS 21:30, 23 April 2007 (EDT)
So confronted with the fact that the source you've cited says exactly what you were earlier denying it had said, you're now questioning your own source? If you had doubts, why did you use it? --PF Fox 16:07, 27 April 2007 (EDT)
The Slim Shady reference was about the only valid material we could use out of that citation, and I didn't want to remove the cite completely, as discussed at Conservapedia talk:Attribution. That was the only piece of information from that article we could salvage absent an acceptable guideline on attributing anonymous sources. If you feel you can help us articulate a guideline or policy on citing anonymous sources (particularly from that article), please feel free to do so. But I'd advise reading that discussion on the CP:ATT talk page to familiarize yourself with the extremely problematic nature of citing anonymous CIA sources. RobS 16:55, 27 April 2007 (EDT)

Most rap is torture independent of the setting used here. I like Kanye West and OutKast, though. DanH 16:08, 27 April 2007 (EDT)

Some people feel that way about The BeeGees. That doesn't warrant including them in a piece on torture. --PF Fox 16:22, 27 April 2007 (EDT)

Rap is ok i guess. doesnt apease me most times. --Will N. 16:25, 27 April 2007 (EDT)

Rap isn't actually a form of torture though to some of us it may as well be. I don't consider rap a valid type of music, it's more like glorified talking with some sort of beat in the background. Not to mention the lyrics are usually less than comfortable for me so i tend to avoid it. The real question is the song "It's a small world" a form of torture, and what was Disney thinking? KTB 19:19, 30 September 2007 (EDT)

True! Some of tobymac's songs (whoopsydaisy) are rap, or very rap like!--BethTalk2ME 19:20, 30 September 2007 (EDT)

On this subject

Last year I read an article about a judge who sentenced some disturbers of the peace (i.e. playing loud music), to listen for an hour to Barry Manilow's music without falling asleep :) DLerner 12:26, 3 February 2008 (EST)