Talk:Essay:The Coming Fifth Great Awakening in America

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Tremendous essay, Addison. May others (such as myself) add to it?--Andy Schlafly 21:42, 3 February 2009 (EST)

I welcome contributions, BUT: First I want to make some functional changes, AND I'd prefer that content added by other editors be visibly added, as in not changing the wording or message of what I have said. I am still adding substantial parts, and am not ready for additions yet. AddisonDM 22:25, 3 February 2009 (EST)
OK, sounds great. I've added this fine entry to my "Watch this page" list.--Andy Schlafly 23:15, 3 February 2009 (EST)

A Very Impressive Essay

I just wanted to compliment you, Addison, by saying that this is one of the most thoughtful and comprehensive essays I've ever read on CP. I don't agree with everything in it, but I don't need to in order to thank you for raising the bar of quality for essays here. This is the kind of content this project needs more of, and if there was ever a Main Page section for "Essay of the Month" this should be the frontrunner. Keep up the great (not just good) work. --DinsdaleP 11:27, 2 March 2009 (EST)

Thank you! AddisonDM 16:09, 2 March 2009 (EST)

“We have set our hope on the living God” (1 Tim 4:10)

Good contribution, Addison! Your message is really about Hope. Hope is the gift God brought to each of us, in and through his Son, Jesus Christ. You posted you are still working on this, so you might want to consider Holy Father's words I placed below, and linked to.

As we wait in hope, Holy Father, Benedict XVI, recently had this to say in his message about World Youth Day:

Experience shows that personal qualities and material goods are not enough to guarantee the hope which the human spirit is constantly seeking. As I wrote in the Encyclical Spe Salvi, politics, science, technology, economics and all other material resources are not of themselves sufficient to provide the great hope to which we all aspire. This hope “can only be God, who encompasses the whole of reality and who can bestow upon us what we, by ourselves, cannot attain”. This is why one of the main consequences of ignoring God is the evident loss of direction that marks our societies, resulting in loneliness and violence, discontent and loss of confidence that can often lead to despair. The word of God issues a warning that is loud and clear: “Cursed are those who trust in mere mortals and make mere flesh their strength, whose hearts turn away from the Lord. They shall be like a shrub in the desert, and shall not see when relief comes” (Jer 17:5-6).

If you find your sustenance in Christ, my dear young people, and if you live profoundly in him as did the Apostle Paul, you will not be able to resist speaking about him and making him known and loved by many of your friends and contemporaries. Be his faithful disciples, and in that way you will be able to help form Christian communities that are filled with love, like those described in the Acts of the Apostles. The Church depends on you for this demanding mission. Do not be discouraged by the difficulties and trials you encounter. Be patient and persevering so as to overcome the natural youthful tendency to rush ahead and to want everything immediately.

--₮K/Admin/Talk 04:36, 29 March 2009 (EDT)

Thanks! Great quote, I'll see if I can work it in somewhere. AddisonDM 09:27, 29 March 2009 (EDT)

Winning and losing lifestyles

I will concentrate here on what sort of preaching I believe would work best:

The secular lifestyle, with its debauchery, is a losing proposition, and a loser's proposition.

The Gospel proposes a winning method for life.

Consider: What does sin mean? From the article (Sin (Fundamentalism)) that I wrote: sin is a missing of the mark. It involves more than those who deliberately shoot wide of the mark, or who think that they can set up their own mark and ignore the Mark that God set for us. It also involves those who just can't see the mark (perhaps because they're playing pin-the-tail-on-the-donkey in the classic manner, i.e. blindfolded) and also those who think they can hit the mark on their own. And as it turns out, no one can.

So we must put it this way:

Would you like to hit the mark? I mean really hit it? Or at least try to scare it a little? Because the closer you get to the mark, the better off you'll be, where it counts.

And what counts most of all is this: God knows where you are. He came to this earth to feel what you feel, and to take all the booby prizes for everyone, past, present, and future, who tried for that mark and missed. What other religious tradition even speaks in those terms? Islam makes you walk a tightrope over a burning canyon. (Unless you kill somebody to advance the faith, but that's a little out of the league of most of those who will hear our message.) Judaism is, by definition, incomplete: it is still under the law, though the age of the law is past, and that of grace has succeeded.

In closing, however, I have to mention one other possibility: we are likely to get snatched (Greek harpagesometha, from harpazo I seize, snatch, and carry off by force) (1_Thessalonians 4:16-18 ) before this mission even gets out of the planning stage. Everything depends on whether Divine patience is finally exhausted. As it might very well be.--TerryHTalk 17:46, 1 April 2009 (EDT)

Well, good suggestions. I'd like to incorporate some of this. AddisonDM 10:49, 2 April 2009 (EDT)

Possible typo

Very interesting essay, and well thought-out! I couldn't help but notice the sentence: "Inclusivism is the tendency to make an enclave of similar people, to stay inside it, to refuse to go into the world or cross denominational lines, and the like." Shouldn't that be exclusivism? At any rate, you defined inclusivism twice, with contradictory meanings, so one of them must be a mistake. JDWpianist 07:37, 4 April 2009 (EDT)

Thank you! And yes, that is a typo! Thanks. AddisonDM 11:37, 4 April 2009 (EDT)


AddisonDM, you need some photos on this page.--Jpatt 12:07, 4 April 2009 (EDT)

Yes, you're right. I'll look. You also need an image for an Article of the Week. AddisonDM 13:01, 4 April 2009 (EDT)

A magnifiscent essay indeed. A caveat scriptor, if I may, please.

It is the FOURTH Great Awakening that is coming. And it is coming very soon as a matter of fact. At the End of February is specifically when. In order for the fifth great awakening to be eminent, the fourth great awakening must have already taken place. And it is the FOURTH Great Awakening as is currently known , that has been dismissed by the majority of the mainstream Christian Church. The history of, to go back in time, the Third Great Awakening goes back from 1850-1913 the avant garde of the Holiness awakening through part II of this awakening The Pentecostal Awakening , Topeka 1901, LA 1906, (of which the current "bully on the block" The prosperity gospel had a minimal part if any.) The 1913 inauguration of President T W Wilson (Thomas Woodrow) saw the entry of the Untied States into global affairs and continue to the scale it is known today. Roughly half way through this period from 1913 - February 28, 2014 came.. THE SIXTIES... which say extreme upheaval in the Untied States of every nake it, it was there. In the latter part of this decade came the last Major Studio release of a Biblicaly Doctrinal Movie, "The Bible" with George C Scott and Ava Gardner, From that day until this one, many movies have been released bearing th moniker Christian film.. Some have been good, others not so much so.. NONE OF WHICH were they to stick to the doctrines of the Bible would be touched by the Mainstream of Hollywood Cinema.. A study of the listings of Hollywood released Christian movies released 1912 through out the first half of 1966 show roughly 1 in 3 to be Biblicaly based... That figure drops to roughly 1 in 18 from 1967 - 2013.. From the release of the Passion of Jesus Christ in 2004 to the present, that number drops to roughly 1 in 36...That reason being that TPOTC to abbreviate was in fact an Opus Dei Propaganda Film, originally accepted by the many of the Christian Community, but now shunned. It is in fact a Retro Holy Roman Empire film... Why February 28, 2014.. This being the release of 20th Century Fox's Son of God... This being the brain child of 2 admitted Obama Supporters Roma Downer and her husband Mark Burnette, yet none the less embraced by MANY within the Conservative Christian Community, WITH the knowledge of Downey's and Burnette's Political beliefs. Also much of the "Christian" cinema of the "Fourth Great Awakening" remains controversial even today many years later...This is part of what is needed for the beginning of an awakening. A release of a movie which is largely accepted by the political detractors of the creator of this movie, followed up by other similar movies accepted by the same crowd, dissatisfaction with the government, the Congress and The President are both at historically low popularity levels, additionally the Catholic hierarchy is under the microscope for gross attrocity that I choose not to mention here. Those who know of reformation history in Europe know that we are nearing a 500 year cycle in Europe Also, with the Orthodox reformation and Protestant reformations taking place in 1054 and 1517 respectively, so there you have it. it is the FOURTH great awakening in America and new Reformation in Europe coming VERY soon.


I suggest removing the Miley Cyrus photo on this article. It was added before her unfortunate character change, or whatever that was. --1990'sguy (talk) 09:22, 25 September 2016 (EDT)

I decided to remove that entire section from the article because of the unfortunate descent of Cyrus and the others mentioned. --Anglican (talk) 18:46, 16 May 2017 (EDT)
Thanks for the edit, but I reverted because this is an essay. They are different than mainspace articles in that they are the explicit work of certain editors, and it is best not to edit them without the creator's permission (or of an admin). I recommend asking a bureaucrat such as Andy or Karajou. I see that I started the talk discussion. --1990'sguy (talk) 19:05, 16 May 2017 (EDT)
I see. My apologies. I didn't realize this was a personal essay. It appears the original author has been inactive for years. It's really a stellar effort keeping in mind the age of the essay itself, but this section may need to be updated or a notice added explaining that the essay was written years ago and Cyrus, Jonas, Gomez, Swift, etc. aren't family friendly acts anymore and have become as sultry/risque as Spears, etc, and I would advise against adding current teen celebrities because more than likely most of them will go the same way because of the toxic Hollywood. Again, I was unaware that it was different from a regular article and I apologize but I think it's important to address in some form as you noted about Cyrus. --Anglican (talk) 21:02, 16 May 2017 (EDT)
That's OK, it was an honest mistake and now you know. I recommend asking an admin like Andy or Karajou about this as the essay creator no longer appears active here. --1990'sguy (talk) 21:42, 16 May 2017 (EDT)
A number of the early Admins at Conservapedia were reasonable. I believe he would agree with the improvement to the article which is based on hindsight. So I restored the improved version. Conservative (talk) 22:54, 16 May 2017 (EDT)
I wish he had left Obama out of the article. Many people look at Obama as a con man now and someone who was a bit like a banana Republic dictator who the U.S. Constitution restrained. And he mentioned Obama as "forward thinking", but in actuality his policies were socialism/leftism which is a retrograde ideology which fails to recognize the collapse of the Soviet Union or the economic failures of Venezuela/Cuba. If he were to write the article now, maybe he wouldn't mention Obama or greatly reduce references to him. Conservative (talk) 23:03, 16 May 2017 (EDT)