Talk:Kreisau Circle

Count vs. Graf

If you prefer the English titles, the name should be Helmuth James count von Moltke, not count Helmuth James von Moltke: Since 1918, Graf (count) is a part of the name in Germany, and not longer a title. So, while he was born as Graf James v. Moltke, the name became James Graf v. Moltke after the Great War. --DiEb 17:10, 17 August 2008 (EDT)